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The Quran says to obey the messenger (4:80) and take whatever the messenger gives us (59:7). The Quran commands the messenger to clarify the message sent to mankind (16:44). The sahih hadiths are a collection of the messenger's narrations.   
  
I follow Allah's commandments through Quran, the Sunnah through hadith and the context behind the verses of Quran through tafseer which are derived from hadith.  
  
You (claim to) follow the Quran, reject the hadith and reject the tafseer. Moreover you refuse to rationalize your position and refuse to provide the reasoning behind your rejection of hadith.  
  
So, things are quite clear.   
  
Lastly, the description of Islamic State and laws within it are defined and described through the life and actions of the Prophet (SAW). Why? Because our Prophet (SAW) wasn't limited to just being a messenger like Jesus (AS), he had political &amp; millitary authority as well.  
  
Read the Quran again, ponder on it and look at the context of when each verse was revealed. That's when you will understand it fully. I am quite sure you don't believe in praying 5 times a day either, and even if you do, I guess you aren't sure how to pray because the Quran doesn't teach us how to pray Salah.   
  
Rejecting the hadith will only make you closer to falsehood. Stop listening to the whispers of Shaytan and ask Allah to guide you with sincerity.  
  
You are going against the Quran by rejecting the Sunnah. Rest is upto you, because there's no compulsion in religion (2:256) and the muslims reading this are a witness to your rejection (3:64).

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deletejuice · 6/3/2025, 3:55:54 PM · permalink

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You have still not answered my first question. So let me rephrase it once again -  
  
Lets's consider that the hadith is contradictory to Quran for real, then either of the one would be true -   
1\. The hadith is falsely graded as sahih  
2\. The hadith is correctly graded and correctly attributed to the Prophet (SAW)   
  
So which one is it?  Still waiting for your answer.  
  
Regarding your response to my 2nd question, 2:256 speaks about freedom of choosing one's faith and that there's no compulsion in it. Meaning no one can be forced to choose a religion or faith.  
  
3:64 speaks about people rejecting the true message of Allah, and that the muslims are a witness to their rejection.  
  
The hadith, on the other hand, speaks about the punishment of a person who leaves Islam **as well as leaves the community**.  
  
This hadith was narrated during the times when state and religion were one. So apostasy wasn’t just changing religion, it involved joining enemy tribes, and/or inciting rebellion, and/or undermining the community during times of conflict. So apostasy was more than just rejection of private belief, it was a political and military betrayal. And this is why it's punishable with death.   
  
If someone simply rejected Islam and didnt make it public or left the land, then it was not punishable since there's no way for anyone to know the status of someone's private faith.   
  
Hence, there's no contradiction with 2:256 or 3:64. In fact, both the verses and hadith speak about 3 different things altogether -  
1\. about free will in accepting Islam (2:256)  
2\. about people rejecting the invitation to Islam (3:64)  
3\. about apostasy in an Islamic state (hadith)

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deletejuice · 6/2/2025, 7:35:28 PM · permalink

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Yea, 3:64 talks about tawheed and calling the people of the book to a common ground. If they still reject the message, then let them be. How's is this an issue?  
  
Let's say I live in an Islamic State and I am having hateful thoughts about Islam. Can I be punished on having such thoughts? No  
  
I decide to leave the land and then either live peacefully as an apostate or spread the hatred. Is this punishable? No.  
  
I decide to stay but open up about my hateful thoughts in public. Is this punishable? Yes.  
  
Why? Because now I am in a direct conflict with the state. I am against the very fabric of the state. I am now an element of disruption which if not controlled, can infect others and cause chaos.   
  
So the only way an apostate can be punished in an Islamic state is if he opens up about his apostasy in public, which can only come from negative intentions against the state. There's no other way for anyone to know whether someone has left Islam.   
  
Even then, the said apostate can be given a window for repentance and guidance. If he still doesn't change his mind, then he is executed.   
  
And this is not unique to Islam. Laws of treason exist in democratic secular countries as well. Just look at what's happening to those speaking publicly against Israel in US.

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So you are presupposing god, which means you are not an atheist, which means my objective is already complete &amp; this post is not for you.  
  
Predestination or Qadar is a pillar of Islam, which means without the belief in Qadar (and divine decree, aka Qada), one can't be a muslim. So we are the first to acknowledge and know about this.  
  
Predestination and trials of life is a separate topic. Yet I will answer it since it's a very simple thing which people overcomplicate.  
  
You are right, God is all knowing and already knows the outcome of all tests. But the idea isn’t that God needs to test us for His knowledge. The test is for us, to let our choices actually play out in real life. That way, reward or punishment is based on actions we really took, not just what God knew we would do.

Think of it like an ideal teacher who knows which students will pass, but still gives the exam so the results are fair and public. The test gives everyone a chance to choose, grow, and be accountable.

Also, tests in life help build patience, character, and faith. So it’s also part of spiritual development.

So yeah, God knows the outcome, but we still go through the process - not for His sake, but for ours.

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He claims it was an attack orchestrated by the west to bring chaos into India. But all events point to the initial "terrorist attack" being a false flag operation by Indian govt. In fact everything that's happening is similar to what happened after 7 Oct 2023 - from ignoring the pre-attack warning, absence of military at the place of attack in the most millitarized zone in the world, 1.5 hrs delay in arrival of forces post attack, mysterious FIR filed just 10 mins after the attack at a police station 6kms away, never to be seen again attackers, responsibility taken by a group on a telegram group which no one can verify to then finally bombing militant hot spots in the name of war against terror.  
  
Its usually said that in order to identify the culprit, look the party which benefits the most after the attack. And here it's India without a doubt - they got public sympathy to bomb houses in occupied Kashmir, arrest &amp; shoot muslims in Kashmir just for having suspicion, conduct large scale bombing of militant groups in POK &amp; IOK fighting for the freedom of Kashmir, unite hindus together to get votes for the upcoming election so that the present pro-hindutva (hindu nationalism) govt stays in power, etc. It's an absolute win for Indian govt and filthy hindus. The loss is of innocent non-combatants dying on both sides and the people of Kashmir who are being killed to fight for their rights.  
  
Then he says, it's a tactic to harm &amp; control BRICs as a whole but I don't quite understand how. India is not being controlled with this attack, in fact it's showing its dominance. The only way it can harm BRICs is by breaking their unity because 5 out of 10 members of BRICs are muslim nations + China, which actively supports Pakistan against India by selling their weapons to Pakistan. But that it only if the muslim nations, most of whom are spineless sell outs to Zionists, will condemn India's response to the terror attack (operation sindoor) where they bombed mosques and schools in POK and Pakistan.  
  
Finally, about Osama, I guess he is implying that he was a terrorist but apart from 9/11, another false flag by US &amp; Jews in which he had no role, I am not aware of him having killed innocents and I could be unaware.

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