The "Grooming Gangs" of UK, Islam & Pakistani Muslims

paxetbellum · 5/6/2025, 2:33:38 AM · permalink

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deletejuice · 5/6/2025, 3:13:08 AM · permalink

The muslim community in UK including all major celebrity muslims, imams, mosques, etc have already condemned these acts. The claim of RW Brits is that muslims are the cause of pedophilia and grooming of minors in UK which is not true statistically or otherwise. This only serves as a diversion from the true problem and divides people for a Zionist cause.   
  
The defense of muslims could have been called as cope if the stance of muslims against these grooming gangs was raised only after the accusations against muslims started by the RW. But even that's not true, since muslims have been condemning these acts since a long time when this issue wasn't even raised in media, let alone making it all about muslims and Islam.   
  
I agree there are problems within the muslim society and so called muslim countries. But I would argue they are due to lack of Islam, not because of it. Yes, women are being sold willingly in Afghanistan for marriage, children are being married off unwillingly in Pakistan, migrant workers are treated as slaves in Qatar, hedonism is rising in UAE, Iran is complicit in a genocide of Syrians and Iraqis and so on - but each of these things have a root cause outside of Islam and each of these things are prohibited in Islam and each of these things would be punishable in a true sharia ruled Islamic state.  
  
I also agree, we as muslims need to speak up more about these issues without causing further division. But in no way would I say that muslim countries are less palatable than others. There's nothing stopping me mentally from settling in Malaysia or Oman or Saudi or Indonesia instead of going to US, France, Spain, etc which to me are moral hellholes and trenches of degeneracy.  
  
The other muslim countries which do seem "less palatable" are due to wars and sanctions which hinder their economic development, which is why when they want to migrate, their options are primarily in the west. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon - they are not concerned about how to make the next buck through AI based startup, they are concerned about where to run when an Israeli drone comes flying over their head and drops a bomb with a blast radius of 1km. They are concerned about how to keep their bloodline alive by protecting their kids head being blown off my American weapons. So ofc, these would 100% seem "less palatable" but that's not because of islam or muslims, that's because of the west and Jews.  
  
And still, if all of it sounds as cope and seethe and cry by someone sipping pineapple vanilla mojito laying in the Jacuzzi while wondering about when will the final season of Squid Games drop, then let it be. We wont stop raising our voice against injustice against muslims or any other community for that matter, whether the cause is Jewish terrorism, hindu terrorism, western terrorism, liberal terrorism or Islamic terrorism.

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paxetbellum · 5/6/2025, 12:40:29 PM · permalink

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abdullah · 3/6/2025, 10:54:56 PM · permalink

It might be to late to chime in but I'd like to give my two cents.  
  
I think this was a great post and very informative! It covers the issue in great depth, and if someone were to read it with a truly rational mind, they would come to the same conclusion that @deletejuice presented.  
  
Based on what @logical was saying, I think the main issue for him was the mention of "white/Western/European culture."  
  
I don't see how his response is relevant to this post. "The Perversive Islamist idea of taking advantage of young girls when they are vulnerable does not line up with American values.  I do not care what the Quran says.  This land is not ruled by the Quran.  Opinion and perspective are not disputed in your culture or ours." The Quran isn't even mentioned once in the OP. And where exactly does it say that Islamists want to corrupt young girls and take advantage of them?? Did he not read the first bit of the post where it says that in Islam even staring at a woman can be, and most of the time is, sinful?  
  
I get the sense he had some pent up anger with a lot to say and this post was just the spark. I think this is the challenge many ethnically white Westerners have.  
  
**To make it clear if it wasn't already clear enough:  
\- NO, Islam is not racist and does not preach hate of white people  
\- NO, Islam does not condone rape or any other sexual crime, or even any sexual misbehavior for that matter. ONLY sexual activity within a marriage between a man and a woman is allowed**  
  
I understand that whites have been getting bashed for a long time and that Zionists have pushed white-guilt on white people for more than a decade. This is, without question, racism against white people.  
  
What Muslims are asking for is dialogue and understanding. Muslims have been demonized by the West for a lot longer, and we have been misunderstood and on the backfoot for generations. We have experience with to explaining our beliefs and debunking lies and falsehoods made about us, which is why we don't have problems with conversations like this.  
  
I understand its difficult to do, but I request that everyone on this platform try their best to divorce themselves from their cultural sensibilties, pre-conceived notions, and assumptions they've made about others.  
  
This is the only way for these types of conversations to succeed.

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deletejuice · 3/7/2025, 9:33:11 AM · permalink

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braven · 3/7/2025, 7:10:38 PM · permalink

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deletejuice · 3/7/2025, 8:04:21 PM · permalink

Firstly, I am not a scholar haha. Internet can make a person sound a certain a way they are not - both in positive or negative sense. I won't even consider myself as a good muslim - I have a lot of sins, lots of things to work on and lots to learn. In fact, for the most part of my life, I've been an atheist.  
  
To ans your question - yes, certainly people can become too attached to their religion. And that can have negative effects if they are holding on to something which is harmful to society. For eg - a hindu holding on to his faith that a widow should be burnt alive with the corpse of her dead husband to pay for his sins (sati ritual).  
  
In the same light, someone could say the same about a muslim holding on to Islam. But we, as muslims, are certain that this is the religion sent by our creator and there's nothing in it which harms someone or society. I know you are thinking, "huh, every religion says that" - but when put to challenge, others fail except Islam. If you have something in your mind criticizing Islam, you are free to make a post and ask about it (one thing at a time). So we see as holding on to Islam (as revealed by Allah &amp; not the deviant sects), specifically, as beneficial.   
  
For your second question - we see Jesus or Isa (peace be upon him) as a prophet of Islam, unlike Christians who consider him as God himself or son of God. Now, the Christians believe he died on the cross, but Allah tells us through Quran that he was only made to appear that way and instead was risen to heaven by Allah.   
  
Allah also tells us that Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is the last prophet sent to humanity. So there will be no new Prophets sent after him. But since Jesus (PBUH) was risen to the heaven without dying, he will come back to complete his reign on Earth with a very specific purpose in mind - that is to defeat Dajjal, or what the Christians call as Antichrist. Now this Dajjal is what the Jews are waiting for, because they consider Dajjal to be their messiah. I have skipped through a lot of details, but this is the crux of it with regards to the second coming of Jesus (PBUH) as per Islam.  
  
The birth of Dajjal &amp; descent of Jesus to Earth will be the first two of the 10 major signs of Qiyamah, or the day of judgement.

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logical · 3/4/2025, 11:23:43 AM · permalink

I appreciate your efforts here to use data and frame an argument in a certain way.  But perhaps this was all a fruitless endeavor then.  
  
While you blame western society, and westerners for the sins of their daughters.  
This is an issue with much nuance.  Just because you can influence a 13 year old girl, does not mean she would not have learned the lesson from her family by age 18.  This is grooming and this is Perverse and taking advantage in our culture.   
  
I do not care what your culture says in these things, this is not your land, this is non-negotiable.  When you enter The United States.  Assimilation is our culture in America.  This is also why I am not fit to speak for British Endeavors, or liberal Europeans.  Their Cultures have sold their soul in weakness.    
  
The Perversive Islamist idea of taking advantage of young girls when they are vulnerable does not line up with **American values**.  I do not care what the %%Quran%% says.  This land is not ruled by the Quran.  Opinion and perspective are not disputed in your culture **%%or%%** ours.  Sexual behavior with young children is not allowed here like it is in yours.  I am not quoting scripture or citing history.  You can cite a certain example, but an example from 200 years ago, this does not equate to an allowance.   Death to all perverts in America, unequivocally.  
  
Your ability to use tricks on a young girl is not impressive here.  It Is **%%pathetic.%%**  If you cannot convince a woman to lay with you, than you are %%**pathetic**.%%  A woman is not owed to anyone.  I am no feminist, you will find my account posting sexist memes, often.  But I am not a man who uses a child or a woman for pathetic gratification.  To force a woman to sex is the lowest degenerate behavior you can perform period.  You are not a man if you force a woman you are a child, a **pathetic pervert.**  
  
You can present all this data of this and that, crime is up crime is down.  These are not accurate statistics, we all know this.  If the white population is so toxic and criminal.  Why are your brethren moving here?  The UK is horrible than why subject your people to its life style?  
  
Your willingness to prescribe to the UK Government is disturbing.  I thought we were working against the powers that be? now you are aligning with them?  
  
As we all know Zionist influence has infiltratred many cultures.  If yours is the best, than why not remain in your culture and homeland?  
  
"It's them Paki Culture":

The common right-wing trope is that Pakistani culture leads to Pakistanis abusing “white girls” exclusively. For eg, the Conservative Party’s shadow justice secretary Robert Jenrick was alluding to this trope when he said, “Not all cultures are equal: importing hundreds of thousands of people from alien cultures, who possess medieval attitudes towards women, brought us here.”  
  
it is not about White girls exclusively, it about girls of all races inclusively.  The pathetic need to abuse women and use zionist tricks to abuse a society is not holy.  I suppose we cannot exist together than.  I apologize for my efforts.  
  
How you Simultaneously claim you want to rape women, then claim statistically it is not happening I cannot fathom or find the patience to discern.  Insanity is not an argument I wish to spend time on.  You Will not have to deal with me in your pocha this is for certain my friend.   I apologize if it was an offense.  This is not a message of congruence you have sent to me.  Feel free to ban me now so you can remove the White Flag Message I attempted to send.    
  
Message received, you do not want peace you want conquest.  Like  I posted I Will not comeback to p/islam

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deletejuice · 3/4/2025, 12:37:10 PM · permalink

Did you suddenly get possesed by a zio-lib ghost of Tommy Robbinson? Lmao, I don't even know what you read before responding with what you have.  
  
I really want a sane person to read my post and tell me how it can be concluded that Islam condones -  
1\. taking advantage of young girls when they are vulnerable  
2\. sexual behaviour with children  
3\. a man owns a woman  
  
or that I want -  
1\. UK to be ruled by Quran  
2\. to force on a woman / rape women  
3\. a nationwide Islamic conquest  
  
Total meltdown of a response with comfortably sidelining all facts &amp; figures with "these are not accurate statistics, we all know this" and, the usual, victimization of the "whites" narrative when this post doesn't even aim at that. These people are so obsessed with "white is right" notion that anything remotely mentioning a white person doing something wrong triggers them to the core. If 85-88% of the child sex offenders in UK are white, I can't do anything about it.   
  
And to respond to the usual pathetic argument of - "why not remain in your culture and homeland?" - we used to and we would have if the west, including United States of Israel, along with the Zionists had not bombed most muslim countries to oblivion in the name of freedom, followed by installation of your puppet ruler in the name of democracy. And if that was not enough, when muslims move to so called "christian" liberal countries, they are exclusively targetted for terrorism, rapes &amp; crimes - all of which have zionistic roots.   
  
As muslims, our primary goal is to follow the rule of land. And as citizens of any democratic country, we have the right to protest &amp; speak against anything that goes against us or anyone else as a community. And if you don't like this, then get rid of democracy, declare Islam as your enemy and break ties with all muslim nations.   
  
You really shouldn't come back here unless you want to make a mockery of yourself. I don't wish to ban you or delete your post - this circus of a response will be immortalised in the internet for others to see.  
  
My stance is clear - **there's no correlation of cases of grooming in UK with Islam or any race or ethnicity**. The greatest enemy of Islam is not white people or west, it's **satan, liberalism &amp; nationalism** (whether it's jewish, christian, hindu or muslim).

May Allah show guide you to the right path.

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