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Parent Post: The "Grooming Gangs" of UK, Islam & Pakistani Muslims
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paxetbellum
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5/6/2025, 2:33:38 AM
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So I think you’re trying to be very logical and reasonable in your assessment. Crimes of the other however will always appear more heinous than the crimes of locals. In addition criminal activity in fictional country X will always be predominated by the longtime members of country X rather than recent transplants for the most part. It’s a natural sentiment and there’s no point in fighting that. If this were to happen in almost any country outside the UK/Western nations the culprits would have very likely received rogue communal justice the harsh way. There are problems and bad apples in every community. I agree, the moral decay of the west is unfortunate and leaves large gaps that facilitates degeneracy. However I think we have to be honest regardless of religious truths that despite the family centered and self policing nature of many Muslim majority nations, there are communal factors that make living in those countries less palatable and many flock to western nations. They should try to be exemplars of their religion however some fall quite short and this is the outcome. To suddenly become champions or voices for the various other groups of victims to British violence falls flat or worse can come across as cope. The Muslim community in the UK it seems in my American opinion simply should distance itself and condemn these acts.
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deletejuice
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5/6/2025, 3:13:08 AM
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The muslim community in UK including all major celebrity muslims, imams, mosques, etc have already condemned these acts. The claim of RW Brits is that muslims are the cause of pedophilia and grooming of minors in UK which is not true statistically or otherwise. This only serves as a diversion from the true problem and divides people for a Zionist cause. The defense of muslims could have been called as cope if the stance of muslims against these grooming gangs was raised only after the accusations against muslims started by the RW. But even that's not true, since muslims have been condemning these acts since a long time when this issue wasn't even raised in media, let alone making it all about muslims and Islam. I agree there are problems within the muslim society and so called muslim countries. But I would argue they are due to lack of Islam, not because of it. Yes, women are being sold willingly in Afghanistan for marriage, children are being married off unwillingly in Pakistan, migrant workers are treated as slaves in Qatar, hedonism is rising in UAE, Iran is complicit in a genocide of Syrians and Iraqis and so on - but each of these things have a root cause outside of Islam and each of these things are prohibited in Islam and each of these things would be punishable in a true sharia ruled Islamic state. I also agree, we as muslims need to speak up more about these issues without causing further division. But in no way would I say that muslim countries are less palatable than others. There's nothing stopping me mentally from settling in Malaysia or Oman or Saudi or Indonesia instead of going to US, France, Spain, etc which to me are moral hellholes and trenches of degeneracy. The other muslim countries which do seem "less palatable" are due to wars and sanctions which hinder their economic development, which is why when they want to migrate, their options are primarily in the west. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon - they are not concerned about how to make the next buck through AI based startup, they are concerned about where to run when an Israeli drone comes flying over their head and drops a bomb with a blast radius of 1km. They are concerned about how to keep their bloodline alive by protecting their kids head being blown off my American weapons. So ofc, these would 100% seem "less palatable" but that's not because of islam or muslims, that's because of the west and Jews. And still, if all of it sounds as cope and seethe and cry by someone sipping pineapple vanilla mojito laying in the Jacuzzi while wondering about when will the final season of Squid Games drop, then let it be. We wont stop raising our voice against injustice against muslims or any other community for that matter, whether the cause is Jewish terrorism, hindu terrorism, western terrorism, liberal terrorism or Islamic terrorism.
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5/6/2025, 12:40:29 PM
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I see ok so the claim by the RW Brits is rather silly. The anger and outrage from their community however is expected. You make a fair point about the condemnation by the major UK Muslim voices and in my opinion that matter is settled and requires no further discussion. For the RW Brits they use this case as a springboard to complain about Muslim presence in the UK. I find that most people who study the religion of Islam only find it to be true. So the issues mainly arise from mass migration, a problem for every nation mind you, and the chasm in values held by modern Brits. The agenda from nefarious actors who predominantly are from and in league with Jewish Zionist leaders has become clear over the last 100 years. Part of the repercussions and planned agendas has been this global shift in population from southern lands to the northern hemisphere. If we look historically it’s rather unprecedented. I would even wager that in prior Muslim empires communities of people self segregated to a great degree. The evidence speaks for itself given the relative homogenous natures of these countries. Additionally, I see that in Muslim communities in America marriage between other races of fellow Muslims is just now becoming slightly more acceptable. The community from the Indian subcontinent happen to be some of the most stringent in their cultural ways particularly in marriage. This makes the crimes in the UK even more outstanding and unnerving. The last paragraph of your reply also seemed odd to me. The frustrations of being mislabeled are painful but the first part came across in bad taste. The Muslim community is not a victim and should hold their ground. Jewish zionists and Hindus have become quite bold these days in their attacks, the bolder they get the sooner their end.
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deletejuice
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5/6/2025, 6:10:49 PM
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Muslims might not be victims at large, but they sure are targetted across the globe, both by left and right through all possible channels. This causes nothing but division and civil unrest driven with hate and fear which is what they want basically. Historically, muslim societies have never been homogenous. Most of them supported pluralism & co-existed with christians, jews and pagans with separate laws and courts for each of them. After the fall of Ottoman, due to secularism, colonialism (sykes picot agreement), nationalism and sectarianism, current nations have homogenised. But still, no one is stopping a Christian to migrate to Malaysia or UAE if they wish to. The PR laws are stringent but possible none the less. For UK, the problem doesn't seem to be immigrants, if that was the case then such an uproar for a group which makes 15% of overall immigrant population and 2.5% of total population of UK would be absurd. If immigrants were really the issue, then there would have been a similar cry against hindus, asians, non-white christians and other groups. But surprisingly its only the muslims, with black Africans thrown in the mix every now and then. People talk about an attack on UK culture, but I have yet to see someone define what even is UK culture. Is it being liberal? Or being christian? Or just being white? And whatever that culture is, as long as an immigrant (assuming they are the problem) is adhering to his roots without breaking any law or forcing his culture on others, how is it even an attack on the UK culture?
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