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8/16/2026, 8:37:10 PM
The Nasal Fry - Great Debate
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sacredcow
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8/16/2026, 8:42:51 PM
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I would love to debate ole Andrew Wilson, he is so pompous.
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sonatime
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8/16/2026, 9:58:13 PM
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What would you even debate him on? Don’t be so reactive, disliking someone’s style isn’t a good enough reason to give them your time, attention, and platform. You debating Andrew would bring some attention to this platform:)  "Honey child, that jalapeño cornbread is the realest thing this side of the Mississippi... thankin’ the good Lord He invented both corn and heat”
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sacredcow
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8/17/2026, 11:46:07 AM
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What would I debate the Christian Nationalist on? I wonder... I do agree with him on a lot of different subjects, but him and this needing a god for the idea of morality. I think that would be my go to.
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sonatime
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8/18/2026, 12:11:51 AM
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Christian values built some of the highest-trust societies in human history. You are living in the decaying, post-Christian nation and your atheist mindset is a direct product of it. The real question isn't whether an individual atheist can be a good person, they obviously can. But whether a society can sustain that high-trust culture for generations once it discards the spiritual anchor. History suggests it can’t; the 20th century showed exactly what happens when nations try to replace that foundation with absolute state atheism, resulting in the highest rates of democide ever recorded. Nation-states and traditional values aren’t the problems you think they are. The real danger is expecting the high-trust habits of a civilization to survive indefinitely while actively attacking its foundation. 
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braven
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8/24/2026, 4:59:03 PM
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Not intending to be contentious on your post to one who quite likely is not going to argue in good faith. That being said...how do you define....High Trust Society? *Christian values built some of the highest-trust societies in human history.* If we can use more accurate semantics....we might have some perspective on how we read each others' words without tripping over our own limited perspective.....something like that. *Christian values built some of the highest-slave-minded societies in human history.* Why do Christians use the word Atheism? *The 20th century showed exactly what happens when nations try to replace that foundation with absolute state atheism, resulting in the highest rates of democide ever recorded.* Atheism is the religion most used by midwits? Is this the presupposition? ...seems likely. We need an honest religion....honesty.....and Christianity are not compatible. Golf....now there is a pattern for a new religion. How can we work together....to improve the future? And here we are. Peace.😇
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sonatime
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8/25/2026, 9:46:44 AM
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Rough notes... Let me know what I missed:) A high-trust society is one where people can generally deal with each other honestly and fairly without constant supervision, locks, or verification. Communism is an ideology grounded in atheism. It has repeatedly treated the reduction or elimination of religion as both a theoretical expectation and a practical political goal. Once something becomes heavily political or influential, honesty tends to suffer. Power concentrated in politics has a poor track record of avoiding being hijacked. Culturally, aggressive atheism was mostly forced on populations in the 20th century and doesn’t have a good track record. Secular governments can coexist with religion, but history shows this balance is not simple to maintain in practice. Corruption doesn’t take a break, only its goals evolve. If golf is the new religion, are you accepting Tiger Woods, flaws and all, as its failed spiritual leader?:)
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sacredcow
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8/18/2026, 3:48:30 AM
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Okay? What "Christian" values? Before Christians people didn't know not to murder? When did Moses get the stone tablets to all of humanity? You wouldn't know how to be moral if a god didn't tell you? When have religions lived in peace?
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sonatime
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8/18/2026, 8:12:58 AM
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Six questions in six sentences, highly inquisitive of you. Too bad everything we discuss seems to go in one ear and out the other. Nobody said atheists don't know murder is wrong. The point is that Western ideas of universal human rights, equality before the law, and institutional accountability didn’t appear out of thin air. They were built over centuries on Christian foundations. Most societies knew not to murder their own tribe., unless of course, it was sacrificing their firstborn "through the fire" for a better harvest, or abandoning infants to secure a better future. Christianity’s distinctive achievement was extending that duty to the stranger, the outsider, and even the enemy. That universal moral baseline is what allowed high-trust nations to form. Secularism promised peace, but the 20th century showed what happens when the State replaces God, millions end up being murdered by their own governments outside of war. The US isn’t a homogeneous Christian country today, yet you are actively living in and enjoying the unique freedoms, safety, and culture that originated from that exact Christian foundation and as far as I know, you are not planning to move. You are raging about topics you haven't familiarized yourself with just to score fleeting internet debate wins. Do yourself a favor: make peace with your "Christian" upbringing, look at the historical data, and stop trying to debate things you haven't actually researched.
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sacredcow
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8/18/2026, 11:54:00 AM
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Those aren't "western" ideals. Our ideologies came from the Greeks, Romans and other civilizations not in the west. "High trust nations to form" What nation do you speak about? America? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy fuck, when was America, high trust? When has your god done anything about peace on planet Earth? When have Christians been at peace with anything or anyone? When was the US a homogeneous Christian country?
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sonatime
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8/19/2026, 3:08:45 AM
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Your keyboard spam doesn’t change the actual historical data. Greece and Rome are the literal textbook definition of the birthplace of Western civilization. Claiming Greco-Roman ideology “isn’t Western” is historically illiterate. Laughing at the idea of a high-trust America only exposes your lack of research. Pew Research Center data shows that in 1958, 73% of Americans trusted their institutions to do the right thing. In the early 1970s nearly 50% agreed that “most people can be trusted.” The low-trust, fractured world you live in today is a recent decay, not the historical. You ask when Christians have been at peace? For the first 300 years the early Church practiced absolute pacifism while being fed to lions, winning over the Roman Empire entirely through non-violence and charity. Meanwhile, the 20th century proved that explicitly state-atheist regimes slaughtered up to 148 million of their own people entirely outside of war. You are using a 21st-century internet connection inside a safe, prosperous society to mock the very Christian and Western foundation that secured your freedom to do so. If you’re going to critique history, go read a book.
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sacredcow
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8/19/2026, 11:57:03 AM
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The Christians and Muhammed did the same thing till they got power. Its like all the desert religions have the same play book around the world. Be a victim. Gain power. Become tyrants. You can see this with the church in Europe.
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sonatime
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8/20/2026, 2:12:16 AM
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Funny how the “desert religions playbook” somehow skips the first 300 years of Christianity. Christians were the ones being fed to lions, burned, and crucified for centuries, with zero political power, and still spread across the Roman Empire through persuasion, charity, and martyrdom. No armies and no conquest. My own break with institutional Christianity starts in the fourth century, once it gained centralized power. I don’t defend how centralized powers behave. I’m more interested in the individual human condition. Human cultural progress has always happened in spite of the roadblocks created by centralized and often poorly behaving power structures, not because of them. Corruption of power isn’t proof against the original message. It’s just proof of human nature.
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braven
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8/23/2026, 5:10:46 PM
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*Corruption of power isn’t proof against the original message. It’s just proof of human nature.* *It is just proof of human nature.* Human nature....or the very nature of God? Seems like the power struggle was already there....waiting for humans to recognize it....and perhaps do something about it? Peace.😇
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sonatime
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8/24/2026, 4:21:54 AM
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I only know of the Biblical revelation of God's nature. Looking at human failure and blaming God seems more like an attempt to downplay human responsibility than to understand His plan. Too often, people judge Biblical texts without context and by modern cultural ideals and mistake human flaws for divine ones. The biblical narrative is clear, humanity is fallen. We exist in a broken world alongside fallen spiritual forces, offered a relationship with God that is simple in theory but difficult in practice. Your point about the power struggle, highlights why the fourth century shift is critical. For 300 years, Christianity thrived as an enemy of the state, spreading through sacrifice rather than coercion. When it was absorbed by the Roman Empire, it gained institutional power but lost its spiritual purity. That corruption wasn't the nature of God, it was the inevitable result of human beings trading faith for political control.
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sacredcow
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8/19/2026, 11:55:43 AM
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Yes, Greece and Rome are the birth place of western civilization, not some religious sect from the middle east. Lol...so one year in 1958 is the "America" you are talking about? Yes, religious folks fake peace and then when they get power like the church did they become tyrants. I'm not mocking the foundations of western values, I'm mocking you because you imply the Christians did something.
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sonatime
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8/20/2026, 2:21:23 AM
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Greece and Rome are the foundation and no one serious would deny that. Christianity later shaped the moral and legal framework that turned those foundations into the high-trust societies that actually lasted. One data point from 1958 isn’t the whole story, it’s a clear marker of how high institutional trust once was before the long decline. The trend line exists whether you like the year or not. Early Christians didn’t “fake peace.” For three centuries they had no power and still refused violence while being slaughtered. That is historical record, not a marketing slogan. Later institutional failures don’t erase what the first centuries actually looked like. You’re just desperate to pretend the Christian contribution was zero so you can keep your ignorant villain story. Read more and spam less.
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sacredcow
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8/18/2026, 11:54:55 AM
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Your god can't even get its own religious zealots not to slaughter each other.  When you talk about Christians being peaceful or whatever, what are you even talking about? When in history has the Church been peaceful?
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sonatime
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8/19/2026, 3:01:05 AM
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You are confusing the nature of the message with the behavior of human beings who choose to violate it. You ask when the Church was ever peaceful? For the first 300 years of its existence the early Church practiced absolute nonviolence. They were brutally persecuted, executed, and fed to lions, yet they never raised an army or fought back. They won over the Roman Empire through peace, charity, and martyrdom alone. The “religious war” myth has been thoroughly debunked by professional military historians. The vast majority of historical conflicts have been driven by land, resources, ethnic tribalism, and political power, not religion.
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sacredcow
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8/19/2026, 11:59:31 AM
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The message? The message wasn't complete and it still doesn't make sense today. You need to sacrifice a bird to get rid of a skin disease? How does this resonate with you today? Hey let me kill this pigeon so god will be happy. Da fuq? Are you implying religions don't go to war? Who has debunked this idea of no religious wars? Anyone you want to name or just a plethora of un-named humans.
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sonatime
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8/20/2026, 2:06:15 AM
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Too smart to actually read and understand the text in context, not smart enough to stop arguing about it, and completely shameless about posting internet atheist fanfiction. Am I close? Sacrifices were part of the ceremonial system, rituals that pointed forward to something greater. Christians don’t do them today because that system was fulfilled and ended with Jesus (Hebrews 10). The quarantine and isolation rules in the same chapters were practical public health measures, not magic spells. Those still make perfect sense. Professional military historians have repeatedly shown that the vast majority of wars were driven by land, resources, power, and ethnic conflict, not religion. The 20th century’s explicitly atheist regimes killed far more people in peacetime than most religious wars combined. You’re raging at a 3,000-year-old ritual you don’t understand while ignoring the actual historical record. Shameless, low-effort trolling
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