Comment on Syria Church Attack by rick

rick · 6/24/2025, 10:59:48 AM · permalink

%%Koran's View of Jesus%%

Jesus is regarded as an important prophet in Islam, and his story is recounted in the Quran. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, but they do revere him as a holy prophet.

The Quran describes Jesus as the Messiah (al-Masīḥ), born of a virgin, performing miracles, and accompanied by his disciples.

It also states that Jesus was not crucified, but was miraculously saved by God and ascended into heaven.

The Quran emphasizes the monotheism (tawḥīd) of Jesus, and like all prophets in Islam, he is also called a Muslim (lit. submitter \[to God\]), as he preached that his followers should adopt the 'straight path' (Ṣirāṭ al-Mustaqīm).

In Islamic eschatology, most accounts state that Jesus will return in the Second Coming to kill the Al-Masih ad-Dajjal ('The False Messiah'), after which the ancient tribe of Gog and Magog (Yaʾjūj Maʾjūj) will disperse.

The Quran attributes at least six miracles to Jesus, with many more being added over the centuries by writers and historians.

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%%Torah View of Jesus%%

The Torah itself does not mention Jesus directly, as it predates his life by several centuries. According to Jewish tradition, the Torah is the foundational text of Judaism, containing the laws and teachings given to Moses on Mount Sinai. It does not provide any information about Jesus or his teachings.

In the context of Jewish beliefs, the Torah does not recognize Jesus as a prophet, the Messiah, or the Son of God. Instead, Judaism views Jesus as a historical figure who did not fulfill the criteria for the Messiah as outlined in the Torah and Jewish eschatology. The Torah and the subsequent Jewish texts, such as the Talmud, do not support the Christian beliefs about Jesus.

The Talmud, which is a central text of Rabbinic Judaism, contains references to Jesus, but these references are not complimentary. For example, the Talmudic tractate Sanhedrin mentions that Yeshu the Nazarene was hung on the eve of Passover for the crime of leading Jews astray.

However, it is important to note that these references have been subject to various interpretations and have been altered or excised in some versions of the Talmud.

In summary, the Torah does not provide a view of Jesus, as it does not mention him. The Jewish perspective, as derived from the Torah and other Jewish texts, does not recognize Jesus as a prophet or the Messiah, and it rejects the Christian notion of Jesus as the Son of God. The Jewish view of Jesus is shaped by the belief that he did not fulfill the messianic prophecies and that his teachings and actions were not in line with Jewish law and tradition.

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gracejoy · 6/24/2025, 3:56:40 PM · permalink

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gracejoy · 6/26/2025, 6:35:48 PM · permalink

Your Wiki quote: "*Some Islamic scholars interpret ... but there's no concensus*..."  
  
As in, some say it's OK.  
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"*there's no death penalty for...*"  
  
It seems to me that if there's a death penalty for insulting Mohammed, there would be one for insulting Allah. To disbelieve what's written in the Quran is to disbelieve what Allah revealed to Mohammed through the angel Gabriel. How could there not be a death penalty for idolatry?   
  
Muhammed, Messenger of Allah: Ash-Shifa of Qadi ‘Iyad. By Qadi ‘Iyad ibn Musa al-Yahsubi. Part Four, Section One: "The [Judgement of the Shari'a](https://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec1.htm) regarding someone who curses or disparages the Prophet. ...He is killed as we shall make clear. This judgement extends to anything which amounts to a curse or disparagement. We have no hesitation concerning this matter, be it a clear statement or allusion."  
  
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"*...Christians &amp; converts ... targeted in some Muslim communities ...  motivated by political &amp; economic factors ... \[not\] the real religion*."  
  
That's a loaded statement. I both agree &amp; disagree, there are so many factors, including what you mentioned, &amp; bad actors. My first instinct, though, was to list some history of Muslims warring against, &amp; enslaving non-Muslims, as workers, s\*x  slaves, &amp; soldiers. If you want, I'll add the info; but my point is only that it was allowed b/c it's in the Quran; &amp; Mohammed traded in slaves won in war. I don't mean to minimize what others did, only to say it's permissible in Islam.  
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"*Bush lied ... crusade. ...\[can't say\] "Christianity" was at fault ... b/c 'Christians' . war.*"  
  
I agree; &amp; will add that he's a Sociopath, complicit in 911 as excuse to steal land &amp; resources in the M.E., &amp; to accelerate the dismantling of Americans' Constitutional right to privacy, etc. I won't start listing the crimes committed by his father &amp; grandfather; but I will say that their actions were anathema to the NT &amp; Jesus. Re "Chr\*stians" who support such things, the ones I've met online are hypocrites in other ways, too. "Crusade" is a Catholic term. I'm not well-versed in the Catholic Church; but I know it was mixed up with the Roman Empire; &amp; is Satanic in countless ways: The Pope's Audience Hall being designed to look like a snake's head, inside &amp; out, is an example.
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"*Millions of women were killed \[as\] witches by the church. ... \[b/c\] ignorance, societal stupidity ... b/c the Bible does NOT teach \[that\].*"  
  
Per Wiki, from 40K - 4 million. Sorcery's condemned in the OT: but was regularly employed by the Israelites; &amp; seems inherent in Kabbalah. It's warned against in the NT, as is Pharmakeia, controlled today by the demon Rockefeller's Medical &amp; Drug Industries.  
  
It's certainly not in the NT or Constitution to arrest, let alone kill witches, yet USA is being taken over by Luciferians &amp; every evil imaginable. It's now mainstream, in top [movies &amp; music](https://vigilantcitizen.com/) videos; Superbowl 1/2 shows; Olympic opening ceremonies; Gotthard Tunnel opening ritual; the Shiva statue outside CERN; &amp; Disney. Celebrities use the foreskin of circumcized babies for facials; &amp; the wealthy get transfusions of young blood for the adrenochrome to keep them young. The Satanic Temple sues states to allow abortion as a religious ritual; stories are rampant about elite movie stars &amp; politicians engaging in Satanic Ritual Abuse &amp; sacrifice; &amp; witches like Marina Abramovich are feted by celebrities like Lady Gaga &amp; Jay Z; philanthropists like Bill Gates; &amp; the upper crust like Lord Jacob [Rothschild](https://hiddenscience.org/marina-abramovic-endorsed-by-bill-gates-jacob-rothschild-virtual-reality-rituals/).  
  
This is a whole other topic, though, that I have no desire to continue here. The world belongs to Satan now; &amp; the elite use the Bible as their gameplan, actively bringing about End Times as per Revelation. Sociopathic pols pose as Christians; work behind the scenes to make the world literal hell; &amp; are preparing to trap our souls for eternity in the guise of living forever. They tell us their plans, as Occultists must, so we won't be shocked when we see it unfold. Then there's [Project Bluebeam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaGvq2mcR0), a PsyOp involving UFOs, to usher us into the NWO.   
  
I agree it's important to fight the propaganda &amp; the stereotypes &amp; to fight for the truth. That said, I have no desire to live under the Sharia; &amp; Islam is not the peaceful religion you claim it to be, or men wouldn't be able to point to the Quran &amp; Mohammed as excuse. Christianity, OTOH, is the perfect hiding place for pedophiles &amp; psychopaths. Regardless, there's no reconciling the two religions, as Jesus being a prophet is blasphemy to Christians; &amp; His being God is blashemy to Muslims.  
  
If we don't agree to disagree, the only option is the One World Religion, as told in Revelation. Already, Yuval Harari wants AI to create a new, perfect, inclusive one; &amp; the mixing has already begun with the [Abrahamic Family House](https://www.forhumanfraternity.org/) in Abu Dhabi, with Jesus erased. Man is wicked beyond measure, greedy, violent, murderous, blasphemus. As Hellish as the elite have made the world, the nightmarish future they have planned, I look forward to God's wrath burning everything. I guess we're both waiting for Jesus, we'll see when the time comes which version of Him arrives.  
  
Sorry for the dark turn, it grew from the witchcraft. I don't know how to end this, so...  
  
Peace 🙏

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q2025 · 6/27/2025, 4:56:56 AM · permalink

Peace upon you too Grace.  
  
John 8:44 does NOT ask Christians to murder jews, but throughout history its been used to do that, repeatedly, extensively. Even recently. So much so that the Pope had to issue a [clarification](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2024-12/john-8-44-frequently-misunderstood-verse-pope-francis.html).  
  
Im sure you would agree that God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost and the Bible are not responsible for humans taking words out of context, or twisting them to their own advantage, or misusing Scripture for their own agenda.   
  
 It's not logical to judge God or Christianity by the actions of some people, just because they call themselves "Christians" or cite biblical text. Nazis, European Colonisers, KKK and the Crusaders would be just a few examples. All used, no, misused the Bible, but all of them were pushing a personal agendas.   
  
I'll just repeat that there's no death penalty for blasphemy in the Quran. That's a confirmed fact, and it's easily proven.  
  
If some idiots calling themselves muslism, or scholars misuse the Quran for their personal agenda... that's their personal evil on display.  
  
As far as the Quran is concerned, it's very clear... God will punish or forgive whoever he wants. There's no humanly punishment imposed, or even suggested for blasphemy. If anyone does so, it is not Islamic, no matter what the paid "scholars" say. We can read, we dont need them to tell us to believe the opposite of whats in text so they can divide us.   
  
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As for your other point about Christians finding it blasphemous to consider Jesus a prophet and Muslims finding it blasphemous to call him a God... yes, you're right.  
  
But lets put it in perspective a little. Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Buddhists, Agnostics etc give him Zero respect. At least muslims respect him and pray for him and bless him. The more devout the muslim the more he sends blessings and prayers for Jesus; I do it 5 times a day, every single day. Do you know many Christians who send blessings upon Jesus 5 times every single day day? At least Muslims add a 'peace upon him' every time we mention his name, something that even Christians dont even do.   
  
Muslims might not pray to Jesus, but we do pray for him and love and respect him  Can we maybe get a few points for that? 😊  
  
Respect

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rick · 6/24/2025, 11:13:46 AM · permalink

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child_of_abba · 6/24/2025, 11:16:02 AM · permalink

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Talmud and Jesus  
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The Talmud contains several passages that are believed to reference Jesus, though the extent and nature of these references are debated among scholars. The name used in the Talmud is "Yeshu" (ישו), which is the Aramaic vocalization of the Hebrew name Yeshua. Some of these passages are considered blasphemous by historical Christian authorities.

One of the most cited passages is from the Babylonian Talmud, which states: "Our rabbis taught: Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples, and these are they: Matthai, Naqqai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah. The master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray".

Another passage mentions that "on the eve of Passover, Jesus the Nazarene was hanged".

The Talmud also includes accounts that describe Jesus as a sorcerer who led Israel astray. For example, it is stated that "Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray".

Additionally, there are references to Jesus being hanged on the eve of Passover, with a herald proclaiming that he was to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated Israel to idolatry.

Some Talmudic texts also mention that Jesus was the son of Pandera, with some scholars suggesting this could be a reference to the messiah of Christianity.

However, the identification of Yeshu as Jesus is not universally accepted, as there are chronological discrepancies and the name Yeshu was common at the time.

The Talmud also includes stories that portray Jesus as an impostor, such as the account in the Jerusalem Talmud where Jesus is described as a disciple of Rabbi Joshua ben Perahiah, though this story is considered to have chronological inconsistencies.

Another account in the Talmud describes Jesus as being submerged in boiling animal excrement in hell as punishment for his alleged misdeeds.

It is important to note that the Talmud's references to Jesus are often seen as polemical counter-narratives that parody New Testament stories, reflecting the tensions between early rabbinic Judaism and Christianity.

However, the authenticity and historical reliability of these references are subjects of ongoing scholarly debate.  
  
Now off to take care of my beautiful flock.

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