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2/18/2025, 1:29:59 AM
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mella
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3/1/2025, 12:35:29 AM
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The social security system ("SS") came to be due to the great depression. Let's not forget why the great depression even happened. It was a way to help the people (elderly) who, before SS, were dying because jackasses wanted to play monopoly with people's money. That was not the first nor the last time we would go through a rough period because of the financial (capital) market, never because of the labor force. I feel like people forget that the PEOPLE "humans" (poor, middle, upper class) are everything. We are the labor, creator, servicer, and the consumer. We keep your business (and ours) working to get paid and then use our payment to continue financing the market through consumption. If we did not work, nor consume, we would have nothing. So, is it too much to ask: why can't we have a balanced system of socialism and capitalism? Nothing is free, we pay for everything including SS. I am sure everyone has peeked at their paycheck and seen a deduction for SS and Medicaid. So many want to claim to be godly and yet have a problem with socialism.
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2/18/2025, 4:49:08 AM
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Unfortunately it is needed for many as they have been gouged so badly by government. Interesting point is that by 2030 all Baby Boomers will be retirement age which is the largest generation ever, they will definitely run out of money, it stated that it wont be until 2033, but I find that hard to believe, the current debt will not be paid. I also believe this is why they are determined to experiment on the public with MRNA vaccines, cull the populace.
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matt
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2/19/2025, 9:10:39 PM
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The idea of a dividend is fine...but national debt is still rising and interest payments add up fast. Need to figure out the debt. This is just buying political favor. 
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matt
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2/18/2025, 3:20:02 AM
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its necessary for the aging population. I dont HATE social programs. I think there is a place for them in this world. I HATE that the government has fucked them up so bad that they are utterly useless. If they didn't waste so much money on BS...we'd be able to properly take care of all Americans.
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2/18/2025, 3:41:14 AM
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This is basically my exact feelings. I agree there should be a support system in place for elder citizens. But the government is so corrupt and inefficent they cant be trusted to run it. Perhaps the social security payments should just be put into private s&p 500 accounts and withdrawn when you hit 65.
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felbz
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2/18/2025, 7:39:41 AM
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The government is the perfect combination of incompetent and corrupt.
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2/18/2025, 7:43:35 AM
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I would call it an imperfect marriage of corrupution, capitalism, and democracy.
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theblacktruther
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2/19/2025, 8:47:39 PM
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The Idea of course is great, but the problem like everything else in this country is the people who're in control of it...Seems like we can't get one person in there with decent morality. Almost like they all enter with good intentions and then something or someone comes in and corrupts them
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3/1/2025, 12:08:52 AM
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cozy
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2/19/2025, 7:26:01 AM
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If people weren't over taxed, the system was transparent end to end, and fair, then I'd be against social security. However given how taxation is theft, I view it in totality as taking back what was originally yours.
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michael_westen
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2/19/2025, 12:31:39 AM
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I find it ironic that there are people who it is impossible for them to actually be alive that are getting paid. Some as old or older that the country itself? Find the recipients and claw back that money. Jail those who are caught. Run some forensics and find that money yesterday. This is money laundering and beyond 😡
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2/19/2025, 12:35:29 AM
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Its infuriating the levels of corruption. It also makes me apathetic when you see how many bootlickers are against doge auditing government programs. Im not some huge musk fanboy but i am thrilled someone is trying to make a difference.
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maze
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2/18/2025, 4:50:51 AM
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What about a social security barter system?
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2/18/2025, 4:52:09 AM
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Im unfamiliar with this idea
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maze
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2/18/2025, 4:59:11 AM
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Some cities have tried using a local type money for goods, but it always seems to peter out.
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2/18/2025, 5:44:12 AM
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This is one of those topics ive never been able to theorize a solution for. My great garandparents grew up in a mining town where they were issued coins and currency based on the local mines. While they succeeded while the local mine was fruitful, they lost everything when the mine collapsed. However i think any system that encourages local bartering and trade is a superior system.
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maze
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2/18/2025, 5:55:55 AM
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Agreed any implementation of such systems would be difficult, but do feel if we could find a way would be amazing. Sadly i do think also it requires a select understanding and acceptance of things that are fading from the world....like community thinking
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2/18/2025, 6:05:44 AM
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I think it can still work in rural areas. But they are few and far between. Recapturing the city folk is key.
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maze
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2/18/2025, 4:57:24 AM
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Would be the idea of exchanging goods or services for labour, not many new applications as-is. But as time is our most valuable commoditty, it would be nice to have an exchange sytem that allowed us to get something fair from it.
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ifnmedia
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2/18/2025, 3:22:42 AM
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