Comment on Proportional representative system......... by hyokkim

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hyokkim · 5/27/2025, 6:49:13 PM · permalink

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hyokkim · 5/28/2025, 5:25:12 PM · permalink

''Not good enough is still better than nothing at all.''  
  
Dude, not good enough is no better than nothing in the real world; would it matter if your eggroll is either baby sized, a little bigger/longer than baby sized, if your girlfriend can't feel it anyway.   (For all the faggies out there, substitute girlfriend, with the bottom man)  
  
''Scripting the Truman Show, without any possibility to secretly communicate, over a 4 year mandate seems improbable to me.''  
  
So you do agree with me, unwittingly albeit; there would be multiple ways to communicate secretly among the corrupt politicians, and their associates, bypassing the official livestream narrative.  
  
''And if you refer to military and police, the key to any covert operations is.... Secret communications.''  
  
What about the reliability of humantel assets?  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-Cross_System  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trust  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venlo_incident  
  
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/attack-on-cia-in-afghanistan-blamed-on-double-agent  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam

''Remove secret communications and yes, you can plant an asset for years and years but you won't be able to trigger it.''  
  
How would you propose to remove the ability to communicate secretly?  
  
What about the deadman's switch?  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch  
  
''Bannion then confronts Mrs. Duncan, accusing her of betraying Lucy Chapman and protecting Lagana and Stone. With his hands at her throat, Bannion tells Mrs. Duncan that if she is killed, the evidence she has against Lagana will be revealed. Before Bannion can follow through on his threats, cops sent by Lagana arrive, and he is forced to leave.''  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Heat#Plot

''I know it's not perfect.''  
  
I am not asking for perfection; the best is the enemy of the good enough.

''Scripting the Truman Show, without any possibility to secretly communicate, over a 4 year mandate seems improbable to me.''  
  
Of course, so you acknowledge that corrupt politicians could communicate with their associates in secret.

''Now with any citizen watching that Truman Show streaming, there will be journalist, professionals and also retired or unemployed people. Exactly like just now, you can assist to your town assembly, you can check out all documents published on dot gov sites and you can comment about them on social media. Or maybe you're too busy and it's your retired neighbors who participate this kind of debate.

Nevertheless, having it accessible live streaming only makes it more accessible, more relevant and a lot more difficult to control appearances. It's not perfect but it's stills better than changing and keeping things the way they are now.''  
  
So you do not deny that unemployed, and retired would have more time/energy to monitor, and influence the politicians than full time working joes?

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hyokkim · 5/29/2025, 1:04:56 AM · permalink

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modernizedemocracy · 5/29/2025, 1:09:43 PM · permalink

Every election nullifies the preceding election when the voters decide so, yes.

That's how it works.  
  
The only problem is that when the elected representative betray their electors the day after the election, the electors need to wait 4 years before having a chance to nullify them.  
  
Whereas with tokens, at least electors can manage the elected power for the rest of their mandate. If they don't keep their promises, they loose their elector's tokens and they can't pass their bills.  
  
Think of a politician campaigning in your district, telling you everything you want to hear. I'm going to vote in favor of this, I'm going to vote against that, and you're like yeah, this guy thinks exactly like me, so you vote for him to represent you and vote in your name in congress. That guy gets elected. He's congressman X.  
  
Suddenly the day after the election, a huge event happens, a large scale catastrophe.  In response to that, congress is going to pass a bill that you don't like at all. Then, you learn that this guy you voted for, congressman X, he's going to vote "yay" for that bill, in your name, in congress, and you don't agree with that at all. Moreover, you learn that this guy was campaigning with money from sponsors you don't like and has personal relations with people you don't trust. That guy maybe is compromised or corrupted.  
  
This new catastrophic situation, everybody is talking about it. Most of your friends and family members don't agree with what the government wants to do. That bill is just not the right solution and will even make things worst. But in the media, the narrative is pushing in favor of that bill. So called experts tell you that it's the right thing to do. Nevertheless, all around you, everyone you know is against that bill. The weird thing is that 500 of the 535 voting members in congress are in favor of that bill while absolutely no one around you is favorable to it.  
  
Now there's another congressman, congressman Y, that comes out in the mass media, opposed to that bill. He got a very few congressmen on his side. They're all depicted as crazy, even though everyone in your family and friends actually agree with them.  
  
Sounds familiar?  
  
I get how armed citizens could mobilize, manifest and even go as far as using the threat of civil war to oppose the government. But what if you could take your vote token out of congressman's X hand and give it to congressman's Y?

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