modernizedemocracy

That's how it works.  
  
The only problem is that when the elected representative betray their electors the day after the election, the electors need to wait 4 years before having a chance to nullify them.  
  
Whereas with tokens, at least electors can manage the elected power for the rest of their mandate. If they don't keep their promises, they loose their elector's tokens and they can't pass their bills.  
  
Think of a politician campaigning in your district, telling you everything you want to hear. I'm going to vote in favor of this, I'm going to vote against that, and you're like yeah, this guy thinks exactly like me, so you vote for him to represent you and vote in your name in congress. That guy gets elected. He's congressman X.  
  
Suddenly the day after the election, a huge event happens, a large scale catastrophe.  In response to that, congress is going to pass a bill that you don't like at all. Then, you learn that this guy you voted for, congressman X, he's going to vote "yay" for that bill, in your name, in congress, and you don't agree with that at all. Moreover, you learn that this guy was campaigning with money from sponsors you don't like and has personal relations with people you don't trust. That guy maybe is compromised or corrupted.  
  
This new catastrophic situation, everybody is talking about it. Most of your friends and family members don't agree with what the government wants to do. That bill is just not the right solution and will even make things worst. But in the media, the narrative is pushing in favor of that bill. So called experts tell you that it's the right thing to do. Nevertheless, all around you, everyone you know is against that bill. The weird thing is that 500 of the 535 voting members in congress are in favor of that bill while absolutely no one around you is favorable to it.  
  
Now there's another congressman, congressman Y, that comes out in the mass media, opposed to that bill. He got a very few congressmen on his side. They're all depicted as crazy, even though everyone in your family and friends actually agree with them.  
  
Sounds familiar?  
  
I get how armed citizens could mobilize, manifest and even go as far as using the threat of civil war to oppose the government. But what if you could take your vote token out of congressman's X hand and give it to congressman's Y?

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modernizedemocracy · 5/28/2025, 8:52:07 PM · permalink

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Ok i'll manage my work time just to answer you. I just hope you're not just a bot programmed to be unpleasant and insisting.  
  
Let's go:  
  
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''I disagree.

Corrupt politicians can't secretly communicate under live stream.'' - me

''Dude, corrupt politician can easily bypass the live stream to communicate with one another; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever been in the militsry/LE/Security?'' - you in response  
  
"tell me how would you manage to secretly communicate, efficiently on a regular basis, a large volume of information, all this while being under audio-video surveillance 24/7 over a period of 4 years? I mean, I can see how a trained asset with a sophisticated secret coding could transmit some info, but the volume of information would be greatly amputated and public scrutiny, especially by people trained in subversive techniques, would likely spot what's going on." my response2.  
  
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'And even so, if they happen to achieve secret communications. If they start taking positions you disagree with, you move your voting token to his opposition.'' - me

''What if the opposition is either the same or worse?'' - you in response  
  
"You don't seem to understant how the congress works. The way the congress works is proposition of a bill followed by vote "yea" or "nay". So if you don't like that the congressman that represents you vote "yea", just move your token to any other congressman you like that votes "nay". my answer.  
  
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''Who spends time right now in the current system? You seem to be aware of what's going on, you seem to be conscious. Also, you don't look like an unemployed parasite.'' - me

''...but if I were an unemployed parasite, I would have even more time/energy than I have now!'' -you in response  
  
"ok, you still have just one token. If you spend less time keeping yourself informed, you might put your token in the wrong place. Your responsibility." my answer.  
  
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''I guess that if you could control your vote after the election,...'' - you

''...and how would you propose to do that?'' - me in response  
  
"anonymous blockchain voting token given to ID verified voters on election day. After election day, you can re-assign that token to any elected congressman anytime you want. Congressmens keep their seats and the stability of the government. But the power they have in voting depends on how people trust them and assign their tokens. So if they betray the people, they loose their tokens and they can't vote their bills."  
  
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''Dude, this begs the question you keep avoiding; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever served in the military/intel/LE/Security? You basically create a hyper unstable government, basically ultra hyper anarchy, worse than even a normal anarchy.'' - me in response  
  
"my personal info is irrelevant. Just assume i'm a liberal transgender 20 year old studying in race theory with a background as a trained mossad agent i don't care."  
  
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"I had already said so: Proportional representation, backed by population armed to the teeth, and organized militarily, independent of government." that's what you propose  
  
How is it any different than what we already have?  
How does this prevent politicians to lie, decieve and be corrupted?  
How do you make sure that the government is independent?  
Independent from what?  
In my opinion, this is just proposing vague, empty ideas with no intrinsic concrete mechanisms by tossing political buzzwords.

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modernizedemocracy · 5/28/2025, 4:04:17 PM · permalink

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Not good enough is still better than nothing at all.  
I know it's not perfect.  
  
Scripting the Truman Show, without any possibility to secretly communicate, over a 4 year mandate seems improbable to me.  
  
And if you refer to military and police, the key to any covert operations is.... Secret communications.  
  
Remove secret communications and yes, you can plant an asset for years and years but you won't be able to trigger it.  
  
Now with any citizen watching that Truman Show streaming, there will be journalist, professionals and also retired or unemployed people. Exactly like just now, you can assist to your town assembly, you can check out all documents published on dot gov sites and you can comment about them on social media. Or maybe you're too busy and it's your retired neighbors who participate this kind of debate.  
  
Nevertheless, having it accessible live streaming only makes it more accessible, more relevant and a lot more difficult to control appearances. It's not perfect but it's stills better than changing and keeping things the way they are now.

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modernizedemocracy · 5/28/2025, 3:51:36 PM · permalink

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modernizedemocracy · 5/27/2025, 2:31:49 PM · permalink

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When thinking about taking the first step forward something, I personally start with thinking of where the end journey of all journeys will be.  
  
Forget about America for a brief moment. Think 100 years in the future. No, think 1 million years in the future. One day, if mankind wants to be interplanetary or even galactic, that'd imply that a lot of people, maybe even every human, could manipulate enough power to instantly destroy the entire planet.  
  
Push the idea to it's limit. One day or another, mankind will need a group decision making system that would allow every single human to have the equivalent of a nuclear weapon in hand at all times. In that context, every individual is the embodiment of the 2nd amendment, every single person is now a private/political militia and 99% can't use violence to oppose 1% anymore. That's why allowing peaceful separation and federation is inevitable.   
  
Now back to reality. Others use violence on us, we use violence on others. Not just countries. Humans still barely manage their emotions, even in a simple family or a small tribe context. People act in violence at each other to the smallest fractal of society. It's also important to keep in mind that there's 3 general types of violence: physical (coercion, guns...), psychological (deception, propaganda, censorship...) and social (corruption, cronyism, elitism...). We can't think of a country, even a small community, a family or even an individual that doesn't get mad, doesn't lie or doesn't try to reject anyone.   
  
So what do we do from there?  
  
If the government has to be formed by humans that get mad, lie or corrupt, and that government has to deal with other governments that fight, deceive and and manipulate, and that government has to represent a group of violent people, then the representative humans forming that government have to act in giving the example: avoid using it. Don't use violence against other governments, don't use violence against the people that you represent.  
  
That's why I believe that there must be a self-referencing natural, mathematical incentive in adopting the system: the principal-agent problem. From where we are now, we have to focus on having better transparency (less information asymmetry) and a more dynamic balance of power (crypto-token voting).  
  
My belief is that such a system will naturally perform and attract other countries in it's adoption. Eventually, countries would just be separate decision-making hubs that can freely separate or federate, with decision-making weight based in each human soul equal value, no matter the abundance of resources or the localization. Here is a pocha on that particular subject:  
https://soj.ooo/p/modernize_democracy/post/02f99d9986b00505ad218e7650a30167

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