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Parent Post: Proportional representative system.........
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5/28/2025, 7:19:28 PM
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Also, even if you spent your entire time monitoring politics, you'd only still have one vote token. So the parasites don't have more power than others under this system.
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5/28/2025, 7:37:12 PM
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''Also, even if you spent your entire time monitoring politics, you'd only still have one vote token. So the parasites don't have more power than others under this system.'' ...but they would have better political intel than full time working joes; they would have the time to email/post/spread the agitprop than full time working joes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop Why jacobins were politically far more effective during the French revolution than other groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobins#Character ''I disagree. Corrupt politicians can't secretly communicate under live stream.'' - you ''Dude, corrupt politician can easily bypass the live stream to communicate with one another; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever been in the militsry/LE/Security?'' - me in response ''And even so, if they happen to achieve secret communications. If they start taking positions you disagree with, you move your voting token to his opposition.'' - you ''What if the opposition is either the same or worse?'' - me in response ''Who spends time right now in the current system? You seem to be aware of what's going on, you seem to be conscious. Also, you don't look like an unemployed parasite.'' - you ''...but if I were an unemployed parasite, I would have even more time/energy than I have now!'' - me in response ''I guess that if you could control your vote after the election,...'' - you ''...and how would you propose to do that?'' - me in response '' you may sometimes change who represents you.'' - you ''Wouldn't that create chaos/instability needlessly?'' - me in response ''One day you give power to Trump for an issue, next day you switch your token to Massie, next day to AOC if you want.'' - you ''You will end up destabilizing the government; you are going to be replacing the entire cabinet, day to day? Who would even take a job under such system?'' - me in response ''You decide who represents you and you give them your token. And if they betray you, because of secret influence or by being purely evil, you take the token away and take away their power. and give it to some other representative that you decide to trust.'' - you ''Dude, this begs the question you keep avoiding; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever served in the military/intel/LE/Security? You basically create a hyper unstable government, basically ultra hyper anarchy, worse than even a normal anarchy.'' - me in response Why do you keep avoiding the question?
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5/28/2025, 8:52:07 PM
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Ok i'll manage my work time just to answer you. I just hope you're not just a bot programmed to be unpleasant and insisting. Let's go: \------------------------- ''I disagree. Corrupt politicians can't secretly communicate under live stream.'' - me ''Dude, corrupt politician can easily bypass the live stream to communicate with one another; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever been in the militsry/LE/Security?'' - you in response "tell me how would you manage to secretly communicate, efficiently on a regular basis, a large volume of information, all this while being under audio-video surveillance 24/7 over a period of 4 years? I mean, I can see how a trained asset with a sophisticated secret coding could transmit some info, but the volume of information would be greatly amputated and public scrutiny, especially by people trained in subversive techniques, would likely spot what's going on." my response2. \--------------------------- 'And even so, if they happen to achieve secret communications. If they start taking positions you disagree with, you move your voting token to his opposition.'' - me ''What if the opposition is either the same or worse?'' - you in response "You don't seem to understant how the congress works. The way the congress works is proposition of a bill followed by vote "yea" or "nay". So if you don't like that the congressman that represents you vote "yea", just move your token to any other congressman you like that votes "nay". my answer. \---------------- ''Who spends time right now in the current system? You seem to be aware of what's going on, you seem to be conscious. Also, you don't look like an unemployed parasite.'' - me ''...but if I were an unemployed parasite, I would have even more time/energy than I have now!'' -you in response "ok, you still have just one token. If you spend less time keeping yourself informed, you might put your token in the wrong place. Your responsibility." my answer. \---------------------- ''I guess that if you could control your vote after the election,...'' - you ''...and how would you propose to do that?'' - me in response "anonymous blockchain voting token given to ID verified voters on election day. After election day, you can re-assign that token to any elected congressman anytime you want. Congressmens keep their seats and the stability of the government. But the power they have in voting depends on how people trust them and assign their tokens. So if they betray the people, they loose their tokens and they can't vote their bills." \--------------------- ''Dude, this begs the question you keep avoiding; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever served in the military/intel/LE/Security? You basically create a hyper unstable government, basically ultra hyper anarchy, worse than even a normal anarchy.'' - me in response "my personal info is irrelevant. Just assume i'm a liberal transgender 20 year old studying in race theory with a background as a trained mossad agent i don't care." \--------- "I had already said so: Proportional representation, backed by population armed to the teeth, and organized militarily, independent of government." that's what you propose How is it any different than what we already have? How does this prevent politicians to lie, decieve and be corrupted? How do you make sure that the government is independent? Independent from what? In my opinion, this is just proposing vague, empty ideas with no intrinsic concrete mechanisms by tossing political buzzwords.
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5/28/2025, 9:30:05 PM
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''Ok i'll manage my work time just to answer you. I just hope you're not just a bot programmed to be unpleasant and insisting. Let's go:'' I must have gotten to you, huh? ''I disagree. Corrupt politicians can't secretly communicate under live stream.'' - you ''Dude, corrupt politician can easily bypass the live stream to communicate with one another; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever been in the militsry/LE/Security?'' - me in response "tell me how would you manage to secretly communicate, efficiently on a regular basis, a large volume of information, all this while being under audio-video surveillance 24/7 over a period of 4 years?'' - you in response Dude, how would you put the entire congress members in 24/7 surveillance? Are you for real? ''And even so, if they happen to achieve secret communications. If they start taking positions you disagree with, you move your voting token to his opposition.'' - you ''What if the opposition is either the same or worse?'' - me in response "You don't seem to understant how the congress works. The way the congress works is proposition of a bill followed by vote "yea" or "nay". So if you don't like that the congressman that represents you vote "yea", just move your token to any other congressman you like that votes "nay". my answer.'' Dude, are you implying then congress will keep voting till you find an opposition member whose decision you like? You're just one voter; what if other voters like the voting result that happened that you do not like? Are you saying congress will nullify the votes just because you, a one voter does not like the result? Are you for real? ''Who spends time right now in the current system? You seem to be aware of what's going on, you seem to be conscious. Also, you don't look like an unemployed parasite.'' - you ''...but if I were an unemployed parasite, I would have even more time/energy than I have now!'' - me in response "ok, you still have just one token. If you spend less time keeping yourself informed, you might put your token in the wrong place. Your responsibility." my answer. Dude, a person with more time/energy at hands would be far more effective in agitprop, in influencing politicians, and other voters than the ones without? You obviously do not understand the importance of agitprop, do you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop ''I guess that if you could control your vote after the election,...'' - you ''...and how would you propose to do that?'' - me in response "anonymous blockchain voting token given to ID verified voters on election day. After election day, you can re-assign that token to any elected congressman anytime you want. Congressmens keep their seats and the stability of the government. But the power they have in voting depends on how people trust them and assign their tokens. So if they betray the people, they loose their tokens and they can't vote their bills." - you in response "anonymous blockchain voting token given to ID verified voters on election day.'' - you How would you make sure that the blockchain remains anonymous, for the ID verified voters? Didn't you say the vote would take place at public terminal, where it could be under video surveillance? The time and date, and the location on record, with whom on that terminal? ''Dude, this begs the question you keep avoiding; how old are you? How many jobs have you had? Have you ever served in the military/intel/LE/Security? You basically create a hyper unstable government, basically ultra hyper anarchy, worse than even a normal anarchy.'' - me in response "my personal info is irrelevant. Just assume i'm a liberal transgender 20 year old studying in race theory with a background as a trained mossad agent i don't care." you in response Hiding something; why so bashful? "I had already said so: Proportional representation, backed by population armed to the teeth, and organized militarily, independent of government." that's what you propose ''How is it any different than what we already have?'' Dude, that's not really what we have today; obviously you are not very well informed of the state of 2nd amendment in U.S. do you? ''How does this prevent politicians to lie, decieve and be corrupted?'' It deters the government from physically trying to impose laws people do not like. Didn't Mao say?, ''Power grows out of the barrel of the gun." ''How do you make sure that the government is independent?'' Dude; you misquoted me. I said, the people organized militarily independent of government. ''Independent from what?'' I had already said so, independent from government. ''In my opinion, this is just proposing vague, empty ideas with no intrinsic concrete mechanisms by tossing political buzzwords.'' No, I clearly had said, people armed to the teeth, organized militarily, independent of government.
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