Comment on Proof of God by hyokkim

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hyokkim · 5/31/2025, 4:35:07 PM · permalink

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devnm23 · 6/1/2025, 10:13:36 AM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/1/2025, 10:36:38 AM · permalink

''Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision.'' - devnm23

Logical arguments also do not force one to accept non-Abrahamic God, without explicitly rejecting the notion of Abrahamic God in discussion; are you really dealing with a subject matter with honestly or are you just being catty? - Hyok Kim  
  
  
''You're acting like you're so afraid of the subject matter that you rather talk about anything but it. It's really becoming childish. I didn't limit the discussion to Abrahamic faiths or non Abrahamic faiths.''  
  
...then why did you feel to include Quran?  
  
Isn't your discussion of God supposed to be free of reference to Quran?  Once you feel bound by the definition of God from Quran, aren't you already basing your definition of God based on Quran?

''I said “Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision” - devnm23   
  
Are 'logical arguments' supposed be based on personal decision?   What if the person making his personal decision is irrational and/or insane?    
  
Are 'non-logical arguments' not supposed to be based on personal decision?   Then what is it supposed to be based upon?

''Clearly I made it inclusive to any belief in God and highlighted Abrahamic faiths without limiting it to that one.'' - devnm23   
  
...yet, you did include Quran, to come to the definition of God; why did you feel that way?

''Perhaps this isn't the thread for you? Establishing Necessary Existence?'' - devnm23   
  
Perhaps your thread lacks the foundation of logic; God that is not necessarily based on Quran, but yet is still based upon Quran?  
  
\[\[Although, this post doesn't aim at bringing someone towards Islam, yet I will state the definition of a necessary existence using Quran 112 (Surah Ikhlas) and all references to a necessary existence would refer to this definition by default - '' - devnm23

"A Necessary Existence is an existence that is absolutely one, indivisible, and self-sufficient. It is eternal and neither dependent on anything nor composed of parts. It is fundamentally uncaused, not generated by anything, and nothing can cause it to cease. Its nature is unique and unchanging, existing by necessity rather than by possibility." - devnm23

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devnm23 · 6/1/2025, 11:49:42 AM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/1/2025, 6:06:11 PM · permalink

Dude, it's clear you're avoiding the issue you yourself raised:  
  
''Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision.'' - devnm23

''...then why did you feel to include Quran?

Isn't your discussion of God supposed to be free of reference to Quran? Once you feel bound by the definition of God from Quran, aren't you already basing your definition of God based on Quran?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
''I said “Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision” - devnm23

''Are 'logical arguments' supposed be based on personal decision? What if the person making his personal decision is irrational and/or insane?

Are 'non-logical arguments' not supposed to be based on personal decision? Then what is it supposed to be based upon? '' - Hyok Kim  
  
  
  
''Clearly I made it inclusive to any belief in God and highlighted Abrahamic faiths without limiting it to that one.'' - devnm23

''...yet, you did include Quran, to come to the definition of God; why did you feel that way?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
''Perhaps this isn't the thread for you? Establishing Necessary Existence?'' - devnm23  
  
''Perhaps your thread lacks the foundation of logic; God that is not necessarily based on Quran, but yet is still based upon Quran?'' - Hyok Kim

\[\[Although, this post doesn't aim at bringing someone towards Islam, yet I will state the definition of a necessary existence using Quran 112 (Surah Ikhlas) and all references to a necessary existence would refer to this definition by default - '' - devnm23

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devnm23 · 6/2/2025, 6:23:08 AM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/2/2025, 6:57:36 AM · permalink

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devnm23 · 6/2/2025, 8:19:45 AM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/2/2025, 12:39:37 PM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/2/2025, 4:58:47 PM · permalink

''Then you're conflating Logic and Action: The scenario confuses logical reasoning with immediate, life-saving action. In a burning house, the priority is safety, and the father's decision is driven primarily by instinct. He doesn't necessarily have to have a good little think about it, does he?

Good parents don't need to think about whether or shouldn't I should protect my child, it's not necessarily a detached logical deduction. ''  
  
Dude, are you implying parents trying to be good parents does not have to do with logic?   
  
'' In a burning house, the priority is safety, and the father's decision is driven primarily by instinct. He doesn't necessarily have to have a good little think about it, does he?''  
  
Why is the priority the safety in a burning house?   Is there anything illogical about it?  
  
''Uff you such a loony tune. An independent reason based argument is about premises firstly thereafter one can link it empirical evidence.

As for your example on human being deciding on whether or not to allow his daughter to search for her doll isn't a logical argument it's a hypothetical scenario badly dressed as one.

You're conflating hypotheticals with logical argumentation. The scenario, not argument, is said in such a manner to evoke a strong emotional response. it relies heavily on emotion and a dramatic hypothetical situation rather than presenting a clear, reasoned connection between premises and a conclusion.''  
  
https://thehoya.com/uncategorized/intellectual-masturbation-rubs-me-the-wrong-way/

'I said “Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision” - devnm23

''Are 'logical arguments' supposed be based on personal decision? What if the person making his personal decision is irrational and/or insane?'' - Hyok Kim

''Logical arguments and personal decisions are separate matters.'' - devnm23

''Are they necessarily? Some believe in logical arguments; some don't.'' - Hyok Kim

''Human beings aren't solely logical creatures that a logical argument compels them to make a choice.'' - devnm23

''Some do! Are you implying no one feels compelled to make a choice based on logical arguments?'' - Hyok Kim

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devnm23 · 6/2/2025, 6:27:39 PM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/2/2025, 6:45:52 PM · permalink

Good parents don't need to think about whether or shouldn't I should protect my child, it's not necessarily a detached logical deduction.'' - devnm23

''Dude, are you implying parents trying to be good parents does not have to do with logic?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
'' In a burning house, the priority is safety, and the father's decision is driven primarily by instinct. He doesn't necessarily have to have a good little think about it, does he?'' -  devnm23

''Why is the priority the safety in a burning house? Is there anything illogical about it?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
''Uff you such a loony tune. An independent reason based argument is about premises firstly thereafter one can link it empirical evidence.

As for your example on human being deciding on whether or not to allow his daughter to search for her doll isn't a logical argument it's a hypothetical scenario badly dressed as one.

https://thehoya.com/uncategorized/intellectual-masturbation-rubs-me-the-wrong-way/

'I said “Logical arguments don't force one to suddenly start believing in God or the Abrahamic faiths; it's a personal decision” - devnm23

''Are 'logical arguments' supposed be based on personal decision? What if the person making his personal decision is irrational and/or insane?'' - Hyok Kim

''Logical arguments and personal decisions are separate matters.'' - devnm23

''Are they necessarily? Some believe in logical arguments; some don't.'' - Hyok Kim

''Human beings aren't solely logical creatures that a logical argument compels them to make a choice.'' - devnm23

''Some do! Are you implying no one feels compelled to make a choice based on logical arguments?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
Dude, you're getting short winded this time around; try harder, please.   Maybe too much mental jerking off; fingers too tired?   Eyes going blind?

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devnm23 · 6/2/2025, 7:50:13 PM · permalink

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