Comment on “Catholics aren’t real Christians” is such a stupid take by mwseeker

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mwseeker · 3/18/2025, 8:11:53 PM · permalink

I tend to write precisely what I mean. Some people think that Roman Catholicism (or the Greek and related Orthodox religion) are most accurate simply because they are older. The problem is that Revelation chapters 2 &amp; 3 disproves this.  Therein, we see churches at various stages of faithfulness, some teetering on apostasy (the threat of having their candlestick removed). Some churches mentioned in the Bible have essentially ceased to exist in our day.  
  
Also, the Roman Catholic religion does not "defining doctrine," the Bible alone (precept upon precept, line upon line, comparing scripture with scripture), as illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and relayed via the means God has foreordained (faithful pastors, teachers, preachers, commentaries, studies, lexicons, etc.), defines doctrine.  Those who add to divine revelation, or detract from it, are apostates (Revelation 22:18-19). Those who deny that Jesus is the Christ, and has come in the flesh, are apostates. Those who deny that God is One God, who subsists as three distinct Persons \[God the Father, God the Word (made flesh), and God the Holy Spirit\], each tri-equal, being of the same divine essence, will, and purpose, are apostate. Those who add to the finished work of Christ on the cross, maintaining that it is the work of Christ PLUS something we must say or do to "get saved" are apostate (yes, the Christian will confess, speaks the same words, as God in Christ; yes, the Christian will do good works; yes, the Christian will repent and turn from sin and dead works -- albeit never perfectly in this life -- but these are all the results of salvation, not the requirements of it as the Romanists claim).  
  
 The church is not a mass sect, or a mass denomination, or a mass association of churches. The True Church that is the Pillar of Truth is the invisible church (as some call it, though not my preferred term), it is the body of all believers, worldwide, in various faithful churches, that can be found throughout various associations and denominations that are generally faithful. The Spirit of God sustains His word, His people, and His church, and not the degenerate catholic church. The Talmudists were called a Den of Thieves in the Lord's day. Romanists can be called a Den of Buggerers/Molesters in our day, given how many children they abused. There is simply no way that the apostate Romanist church is the "true church" (just because it is older), and more than the Synagogue of Satan is the true church, just because Pharisaism/Talmudism predates Romanism, False Orthodoxy, and Heretical Protestantism (like the Charismatics, Pentecostals, Prosperity "Gospel" types, or the Liberation Theology types, or anyone else bring antichrist doctrine).

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mwseeker · 3/19/2025, 4:12:12 PM · permalink

These are actually fair questions.  
  
So first, how do we know that we are to rely upon the Bible alone? The whole purpose of divine revelation is to (1) reveal to the world the Triune Godhead, the Christ, the law, the Gospel, etc.;(2) to guide us into all spiritual truth, including salvific truth (\[1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God"); (3) to point us to how we are to live in light of salvation; (4) to reveal the eternal consequences of rebellion against God; and (5) to establish the perfect, inerrant, legitimacy of the word of God (the Bible), of Christ (God the Word made flesh), and of the sovereign authority of God.   
  
The book of Revelation is the final book of the entire Bible, it is the last book of the Bible, it is the final piece of Divine Revelation to that Divine Revelation from God (in book/scroll form, called the Bible) that reveals God to us. We read in Revelation chapter 22 (the final chapter of the final book of the Bible) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book..." God puts a curse, if you will, a threat of mighty judgment, upon anyone who adds to the words of the prophecy of this book.... But what is "this book"?  
  
Now some say "that just means we can't add to the book of Revelation!" Nonsense, that makes no sense. What? Can we add to the books of Genesis, Daniel, Proverbs, Matthew, Luke, Romans, Philippians but not to the book of Revelation? Of course not.... that makes absolutely no sense. Some say, "Well we can receive additional divine revelation but we just can't add it to the Bible!" But why, if God is revealing more, and it is legitimately from Him, what is the logical purpose of not adding God's own words and revelations to His own word, His own book, the Bible? It truly makes no sense.  
  
Clearly, this 18th verse, in the last chapter, of the last book, of the Bible is sealing off further divine revelation. We are not to add new, supposedly divinely revealed" knowledge, or new visitations, or new visions, or new teleportations, or telepathy, or new telekinesis, or new  prognostications, or new "tongues/vain babbling," or new truly-massively-supernatural healings (e.g., a guy with a missing leg all of a sudden has it back again), or new ecstatic laughing, convulsions, acting drunk, etc., or any other such thing the charismatics, pentecostals, romanists, and cultists claim.  
  
God makes it clear that the believer now has the more sure word of prophecy; we have all truth (all that God intends to divinely reveal to us is in the Bible), and the notion that most haven't even read the Bible once, let alone numerous times (to get all out of it that they possibly can, Holy Spirit-enabling), but that they should be seeking for, or listening to, or focusing upon "non-biblical revelation" instead.... is absurd.   
  
As for the Trinity, another good question. Some reject the Trinitarian evidence of 1 John 5:7, saying it should not be in scripture, but I believe it is canon for reasons too long to type out here "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Some reject that Matthew 3:16-17 reveals a Trinity "And Jesus \[i.e., God the Word made flesh\], when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God \[i.e, the Holy Spirit\] descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven \[i.e., God the Father's voice\], saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Then look at John 1:1-3, 14 "In the beginning was the Word \[i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ\], and the Word was with God  \[i.e., God the Father\], and the Word was God  \[i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ is God\]. 2 The same was in the beginning with God  \[i.e.,with the Holy Spirit, or with the Father, or with both seeing that all three divine Persons are One God\]. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ... 14 And the Word was made flesh \[i.e., Jesus Christ became incarnate\], and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (i.e., God the Father),) full of grace and truth.  
  
Note also that Elohim is a plural term. Jehovah/Yahweh God is the only uncreated, all-sovereign, all-mighty Elohim. However, elohim is a plural term, why? As it relates to the One True \[Jehovah/Yahweh\] God, it is because He is One God, who subsists as three distinct, tri-equal, Persons (Father, Word/Son, and Holy Ghost). They are three distinct Persons sharing the one same divine essence, nature, purpose, will, and divine being. There are other passages I could share, but again, look at how long this is already.

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mwseeker · 3/18/2025, 11:45:10 PM · permalink

Apostasy, and it's variants in the Greek, means to fall away, to depart from, to defect, to withdraw from, etc. The aforementioned false religions/sects/denominations/etc., have departed from the truth of who God is, who Christ is, what His Gospel is, etc. Sure, they still use the same names. They will name God, Christ, the divine Persons of the Trinity, and so on. However, they have abandoned the true faith. How? By adding to the divine revelation via visions, visitations, tongues, additional infallible books, or papal bulls, or councils (like the council of trent). They ignore, to their own peril, Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD UNTO these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"  
  
Likewise, they apostacize when they deny the all-sufficiency of the blood of Christ alone, and His finished salvific work on the cross alone, as the sole ground/basis of the justification of a sinner saved. When they say that it is Christ's work PLUS some ritual, or ceremony, or work, or sacrament, or saying that must be added, they depart from the Gospel, they depart from the faith (Galatians 1:8-9; Galatians:10-14). Galatians 2:16 declares "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." It was Martin Luther, in reading Galatians so carefully, and prayerfully, as led by the Holy Spirit, that saw the errors of works-based Catholic religion, and helped to fuel the Protestant Reformation.  
  
Consider this master verse on apostasy -- 1 John 2:18-20 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 THEY WENT OUT FROM US, BUT WERE NOT OF US; for if they had been of us, they would \[no doubt\] have continued with us: but \[they went out\], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things."  
  
Notice the fact that there were those who appeared to have the truth, but apostatized, going out (away from, forsaking) both the truth, and those who had the truth. This is what Syncretic Romanism and Orthodoxy did. These religious deviations incorporated paganinity into their false notions of Christianity. They added works to the Gospel making it no Gospel (see Galatians 1), and they trusted in their age, their supposed straight succession from Peter (which is a falsehood) ignoring the warnings of Revelation chapters 2 &amp; 3. They trusted in their priesthood, in their rituals/customs, in their rosaries and ceremonies, and in everything else but the Holy Spirit, and the Godhead as a whole, in and through Christ Jesus the Lord.   
  
FInally, notice the language "YE have an UNCTION from the HOLY ONE, and ye know all things" -- it doesn't say "The pope has an unction from the Holy One," or "The Catholic church has an unction," it states "ye have an unction." Every Christian, every member of the Body of Christ, which is Christ (through union with the Head -- 1 Corinthians 12:12) has this unction. They have the Holy Spirit leading them into all truth. It doesn't mean they know everything inerrantly. It means that all that God foreordained for them to know, and grow into, the Holy Spirit leads them therein, through His holy Word, the Bible. Yes, he gives us pastors, preachers, teachers, but the Spirit of God is what leads all who are His. He leads the teachers, and He leads His people to be good Bereans (Acts 17:11). We have no need to call any man father, or papa (pope), or rabbi... we trust in Christ alone, by faith alone, via the Holy Scripture alone, by grace alone, to the glory of God alone, all by the Spirit of God, through perfect union with Christ. Catholicism understands none of this; it is not true Christianity. It is a many centuries old corrupt counterfiet.

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