chrisvpnet · p/vpnet · 4/28/2026, 4:26:54 PM

The VPN industry runs on pinky promises. We built vp.net so you don't have to trust us.

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braven · 4/28/2026, 5:41:07 PM · permalink

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chrisvpnet · 4/28/2026, 11:17:25 PM · permalink

Happy to answer questions about the team, but first I would like to speak about this:

"why anyone should trust them?"

You shouldn't. You shouldn't put blind trust into any company. That's the whole point of vp.net and our technology: zero-trust.

Why? Because there are exactly 0 people on this planet that are going to risk having their company shut down, legal trouble or worse to protect some random internet user they never met. A company may have an amazing track record and a team of respected members of society. And guess what? They worked hard to get there, and they aren't going to watch it burn to the ground to protect a random user. We have seen it many times already, where "no logs" VPNs hand over logs because they were compelled.

"But my VPN doesn't log."

That may be true. For now. There have been several VPNs that didn't log.... until they were compelled to and threatened with legal action. Heck, proxy.sh installed Wireshark on a US node and ran it for 7 days, capturing as much data as they possibly could, because they were told to.

THAT is why architecture IS so important. If a VPN even has the ABILITY to log... it can and likely will at some point in time, under legal pressure.

That's why vp.net was built and why Andrew invented an entire new VPN architecture in order to build the only VPN that physically cannot log VPN activity, ever. Not just right now, it can never log. It's physically impossible. If the authorities put a gun to our heads, it changes nothing. We literally can't do it, and we can prove it. You can even prove it, because we allow public attestation, so anyone can verify our inability to log, any time they want.  
And here's the thing - there was literally no need to do this. Andrew easily could've started another trust-based VPN and had it online in 12 hours, doing the same thing everyone else does. And he could pay off every YouTube to say it was the best and build another top trust-based VPN service and make a lot of money, and it would be MUCH easier to do.  
But, he didn't. He purposely took the difficult path. The one that means increased costs, greatly increased development time due to the complexity and the difficulty of trying to educate the world on why it's better, all which means more headaches and less money.  
This has been a personal mission of Andrew's since I first met him in 2015. It was his original vision for PIA, but there was no way to get there, so he had to start over.  
And he built the first VPN system that literally has no possible way to log activity. All you have to do is look around at the sale prices of some VPNs to realize they are selling people's data.  Why would a company give you service worth $300 at their normal price for like $50? Why would a VPN sell lifetime subscriptions when there are recurring costs forever? Why would a VPN pay an affiliate $100 for getting them a customer that only paid $50?  
We even added a way to pay using Zano, which is completely anonymous, and use our service without creating an account or even using our apps. Let's dissect that for a minute. Why would someone set up their VPN so people can use it with completely anonymous payment methods, without creating an account  or even giving us an email address to contact them, when that also means no recurring payment?

In our very first company-wide meeting Andrew told us that in every task we do for this company, we should ask ourselves "Does this give our customers more privacy or less privacy?" And if the answer is "Less privacy" we should not do it, even if it would mean making a lot more money. And if the answer is "more privacy", we should do it, even if it means our job is harder or we make less money. That's the standard.  
Andrew genuinely cares about privacy and has made it a personal mission to help as many people retain their privacy as possible, which he has proven countless times over the years. At PIA, he donated MILLIONS to every privacy, free speech and internet freedom organization we could find: Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, Access Now, Index on Censorship and dozens more, and didn't even advertise or post about most of them, because he didn't care about the recognition.  
He bought full page and dual-full page ads in the NY Times multiple times to raise awareness about certain issues, including an ad calling out 50 Senators that voted to let ISPs sell user data. He even paid extra to have the whole page printed in black ink with white letters to make it stand out and make a big impact. It just had a small PIA logo in the bottom corner without even a call to action or tagline or any promotional text. And didn't even post it online after.   
Some random person took a picture of it and posted it on Reddit and it became the #2 most liked post that whole year on Reddit. There was tremendous potential to leverage that to make money... but he didn't, because that's not what it was about.  
We gave free accounts, training and funding to a group that was helping abused women get away from their abusers without them tracking them down online, and never said a word about it publicly to anyone expect that organization.  
I have personally witnessed Andrew do more good for this world than most people will do in their entire lives and it's not even close. He has been in position to destroy people that did terrible things to him, and chose not to, and even offered them help on many occasions. Of all of the people I have known personally, Andrew has had the greatest ability to do evil, yet he is the person I have seen do more good than anyone else.  
Andrew is the visionary behind vp.net and sets the tone for the whole company, and since day 1, he has been very clear, that protecting our users at all costs is the most important thing, always.  
  
There is information about our different team members on our website if you're looking for more information about something in particular: https://vp.net/l/en-US/about

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braven · 4/29/2026, 12:23:53 AM · permalink

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chrisvpnet · 4/29/2026, 12:40:24 AM · permalink

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braven · 4/29/2026, 4:36:07 PM (edited) · permalink

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chrisvpnet · 4/29/2026, 8:59:11 PM · permalink

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braven · 4/29/2026, 11:55:15 PM · permalink

*I don't work for Soj.ooO. I don't work for Andrew. I work for vp.net. These are not all the same simply because Andrew is involved in them. I have no more ability to affect change on this site than you do.*
  
If you are being intentionally dismissive on this point, it isn't lost on the rest of us.  
Not sure why you are being overly cryptic about your involvement or knowledge of the situation at hand.  
  
*...because Andrew is involved in them.*  What do you mean...involved in them?  
Isn't Andrew the owner of both of them?  
  
And according to your own words.....Nathan....works for you....yes?  
And Nathan is causing trouble....and you are acting like this is something you have no knowledge of whatsoever....not believable....at all.  
  
Just the same, you don't seem to have the capacity to find a solution to your problems with Nathan....which is rather unfortunate for all of us.  
We will have to find another path to resolution.  
  
Then, apparently, @Dangun will be required to make this happen?  
All good....perhaps the better path is to trust Dangun will have some sense of awareness of this problem and a path to resolution.  
  
Hello Dangun,  
Chris here says you have some involvement with VPnet.  
Not sure what involvement that is, though it was thought that you were the owner.  
Chris does not seem to be able to make the chain of leadership clear.  Odd stuff for sure.  
However, Chris has an employee, Nathan, whom you know personally.  
Nathan is behaving reprehensively on this site here at Sojooo.    
And it is understood that you are the owner of Sojooo...but maybe you only have some involvement.....again...not sure what that means.  
  
What are we to do with such an abusive actor bringing down this site?  
Please let us know what steps are being taken to either get Nathan the mental health medical attention he needs, or what measure internally are being taken to ensure his abusive tendencies do not continue to plague us all into the future of Sojooo.  
  
@Sonatime has written documentation of this problem....perhaps you have already read that?  If so, could you please let us know what steps we are to take from here.  
Your help resolving this problem will be greatly appreciated.  
We need to move past this, please let us know a path forward.  
Thank you.  
  
Peace

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chrisvpnet · 4/30/2026, 5:38:16 AM · permalink

"If you are being intentionally dismissive on this point, it isn't lost on the rest of us.

Not sure why you are being overly cryptic about your involvement or knowledge of the situation at hand."  
I have no idea what you are talking about. What is cryptic about what I said?  
You are asking me to manage my employees behavior outside or work on a site I don't work for. It literally makes no sense. I have been very clear from the start. I don't work for Soj.ooO. I work for vp.net. What happens on Soj.ooO has nothing to do with me, it is not my responsibility and it's not something I have any ability to control, so I'm not sure what you expect here.   
  
"...because Andrew is involved in them. What do you mean...involved in them?

Isn't Andrew the owner of both of them?"  
Andrew is one of the owners.  
  
"And according to your own words.....Nathan....works for you....yes?

And Nathan is causing trouble....and you are acting like this is something you have no knowledge of whatsoever....not believable....at all."  
What Nathan does outside of work has nothing to do with me. I am not his boss in life, just at work.  
  
"Just the same, you don't seem to have the capacity to find a solution to your problems with Nathan....which is rather unfortunate for all of us.

We will have to find another path to resolution."  
I don't have any problem with Nathan. You apparently do and for some reason want me to solve it, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with me.  
  
"Chris does not seem to be able to make the chain of leadership clear"  
I made a very long and detailed post explaining it all and linked you to our team page with more information.  
  
You do realize that you can just block Nathan, right?  You are choosing to continue having problems with Nathan. You are choosing to be bothered by him. If you block him, you won't see him, and he won't bother you. It's that simple. The fact that you are choosing not to leads me to believe you are more interested in causing drama than seeking an actual resolution. I have engaged with you in good faith, but you do not seem interested in extending that same courtesy.  
  
I have nothing more to say about this issue. I have made my position very clear and that isn't going to change. If you have good faith questions about the technology behind vp.net, I would be happy to respond.

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braven · 4/30/2026, 4:50:53 PM · permalink

Hey Chris,  
  
Thank you for this reply.  
  
It does appear that we are not going to be able to resolve this issue.  
Rather unfortunate, but not entirely  surprising.  
  
*Braven wrote - "Not sure why you are being overly cryptic about your involvement or knowledge of the situation at hand."*

Your response *\- "I have no idea what you are talking about."*  
That you have no idea what is going on with Nathan at Sojooo is not easy for me, or perhaps anyone to believe, but it is possible that you are entirely as clueless as you say.  
In fact, several members of your VPnet team were on the Sojooo council....so that very fact makes what you say even more difficult to believe, but such is the case.  
*I don't have any problem with Nathan. You apparently do and for some reason want me to solve it, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with me.*
  
Well....it does have something to do with you, but the fact that you just wrote that, does not lend well to your goodwill towards all other users at Sojooo.   Just observation here.  
And it isn't that just I have an issue with Nathan...everyone does.  
  
Most everyone at Sojooo has an issue...most all users....except for maybe the members of the Sojooo council.....your VPnet team.  
  
Again, you could have easily asked @Sonatime for more information to get as much information possible before dismissing this issue out of hand....would have been good.   
But you did not.  
Furthermore, I was not asking you to resolve the problem; but rather, to *help*  find a solution here.   
  
*You are choosing to be bothered by him*. - no one is choosing this.    
  
*If you block him, you won't see him, and he won't bother you. It's that simple.*  
It is that simple is it?  This does lend to the cluelessness of your stated position.  
  
*The fact that you are choosing not to leads me to believe you are more interested in causing drama than seeking an actual resolution.*
  
I am the one reaching out to you for solutions looking for resolution.  No drama.  
Interesting that you would word it that way....emotional content....odd stuff.  
  
*I have engaged with you in good faith, but you do not seem interested in extending that same courtesy.*  
Because you say you engage in good faith...means you engage in good faith?  
Must be nice to have such low standards for the integrity of your speech.  
However, we can leave this here, and let the others judge us as to our good faith on this subject.  
  
Again, I do appreciate your responses to this inquiry.  It is unfortunate that we could not find some way to get resolution for this....and to your credit....you have clearly stated that you are not interested in becoming more informed on this matter.  
*I have nothing more to say about this issue. I have made my position very clear and that isn't going to change.*  
  
It may yet be possible to find a solution, as mentioned earlier, we will have to see how Andrew will respond to this situation.  
  
All the best to you.  
Peace.

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The VPN industry runs on pinky promises. We built vp.net so you don't have to trust us.

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