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Parent Post: The VPN industry runs on pinky promises. We built vp.net so you don't have to trust us.
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chrisvpnet
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4/30/2026, 5:38:16 AM
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"If you are being intentionally dismissive on this point, it isn't lost on the rest of us. Not sure why you are being overly cryptic about your involvement or knowledge of the situation at hand." I have no idea what you are talking about. What is cryptic about what I said? You are asking me to manage my employees behavior outside or work on a site I don't work for. It literally makes no sense. I have been very clear from the start. I don't work for Soj.ooO. I work for vp.net. What happens on Soj.ooO has nothing to do with me, it is not my responsibility and it's not something I have any ability to control, so I'm not sure what you expect here. "...because Andrew is involved in them. What do you mean...involved in them? Isn't Andrew the owner of both of them?" Andrew is one of the owners. "And according to your own words.....Nathan....works for you....yes? And Nathan is causing trouble....and you are acting like this is something you have no knowledge of whatsoever....not believable....at all." What Nathan does outside of work has nothing to do with me. I am not his boss in life, just at work. "Just the same, you don't seem to have the capacity to find a solution to your problems with Nathan....which is rather unfortunate for all of us. We will have to find another path to resolution." I don't have any problem with Nathan. You apparently do and for some reason want me to solve it, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with me. "Chris does not seem to be able to make the chain of leadership clear" I made a very long and detailed post explaining it all and linked you to our team page with more information. You do realize that you can just block Nathan, right? You are choosing to continue having problems with Nathan. You are choosing to be bothered by him. If you block him, you won't see him, and he won't bother you. It's that simple. The fact that you are choosing not to leads me to believe you are more interested in causing drama than seeking an actual resolution. I have engaged with you in good faith, but you do not seem interested in extending that same courtesy. I have nothing more to say about this issue. I have made my position very clear and that isn't going to change. If you have good faith questions about the technology behind vp.net, I would be happy to respond.
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braven
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4/30/2026, 4:50:53 PM
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Hey Chris, Thank you for this reply. It does appear that we are not going to be able to resolve this issue. Rather unfortunate, but not entirely surprising. *Braven wrote - "Not sure why you are being overly cryptic about your involvement or knowledge of the situation at hand."* Your response *\- "I have no idea what you are talking about."* That you have no idea what is going on with Nathan at Sojooo is not easy for me, or perhaps anyone to believe, but it is possible that you are entirely as clueless as you say. In fact, several members of your VPnet team were on the Sojooo council....so that very fact makes what you say even more difficult to believe, but such is the case. *I don't have any problem with Nathan. You apparently do and for some reason want me to solve it, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with me.* Well....it does have something to do with you, but the fact that you just wrote that, does not lend well to your goodwill towards all other users at Sojooo. Just observation here. And it isn't that just I have an issue with Nathan...everyone does. Most everyone at Sojooo has an issue...most all users....except for maybe the members of the Sojooo council.....your VPnet team. Again, you could have easily asked @Sonatime for more information to get as much information possible before dismissing this issue out of hand....would have been good. But you did not. Furthermore, I was not asking you to resolve the problem; but rather, to *help* find a solution here. *You are choosing to be bothered by him*. - no one is choosing this. *If you block him, you won't see him, and he won't bother you. It's that simple.* It is that simple is it? This does lend to the cluelessness of your stated position. *The fact that you are choosing not to leads me to believe you are more interested in causing drama than seeking an actual resolution.* I am the one reaching out to you for solutions looking for resolution. No drama. Interesting that you would word it that way....emotional content....odd stuff. *I have engaged with you in good faith, but you do not seem interested in extending that same courtesy.* Because you say you engage in good faith...means you engage in good faith? Must be nice to have such low standards for the integrity of your speech. However, we can leave this here, and let the others judge us as to our good faith on this subject. Again, I do appreciate your responses to this inquiry. It is unfortunate that we could not find some way to get resolution for this....and to your credit....you have clearly stated that you are not interested in becoming more informed on this matter. *I have nothing more to say about this issue. I have made my position very clear and that isn't going to change.* It may yet be possible to find a solution, as mentioned earlier, we will have to see how Andrew will respond to this situation. All the best to you. Peace.
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chrisvpnet
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4/30/2026, 6:57:15 PM
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If you look at my history on this site, it's almost entirely in the vpnet section. I joined the site to post in the vpnet section as part of my job. I very rarely venture outside of that section, because I simply don't have time for any social media sites outside of work. "members of the Sojooo council.....your VPnet team." I was not aware that other vp.net team members were on the council. The only person I knew was on the council was Nathan, because he mentioned it to me. I have no idea what's going on with the council, like I said, I am not involved in anything on this site other than vp.net. That's what I'm here to talk about. Again, I will restate my position. I have no idea what you're talking about. None of this involves me. I am not an employee of Soj.ooO. I am not Nathan's keeper. What he does outside of work is his business, not mine. I have no control over what Nathan does outside of work. I have no control over anything on Soj.ooO. I don't know anything about this council, other than Nathan told me he was on it a while bac. I am not sure what you are expecting me to do.
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braven
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5/1/2026, 6:17:42 PM
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Hey Chris, To start, thank you for replying. That is often overlooked in these exchanges….the will to communicate at all. And, not expecting anything....just hopeful we can come to some kind of conflict resolution...and perhaps you could help with this. I did look at your post history...as you say....vpnet....and only vpnet. With that said, I wonder if you might be open to considering the following: I don’t think it’s hard to understand that some of us would like Nathan’s behavior to be addressed. If he is a publicly acknowledged employee at vpnet, and you are here in both a professional and personal PR capacity, you could at least acknowledge the concerns being raised and pass them on to someone with the appropriate responsibility and authority. That would sound like a far more competent approach than publicly distancing yourself and washing your hands of any responsibility - even if that’s understandable. Not many of us on Sojooo understand how the interim board was formed, as it was mainly comprised of a small circle that meets outside the site. Still, there needs to be someone who can address members or users who repeatedly choose unprofessional, rule-breaking behavior over the betterment of the community as a whole. Anyway, as others have pointed out on Sojooo, Nathan’s practice of creating alt accounts to bypass moderation and continue harassment reflects poorly on vpnet’s services - whether he used them or not. You might want to keep that in mind while you’re trying to build goodwill and promote vpnet here. Again, if you need any evidence or a second opinion, please connect with @Sonatime on this matter. It may be good for all if you did, but not a necessity. Something like that. Looking for a way forward here. Hope you can see that, too. Again, thank you for communicating with such respect and civility. It is appreciated more than you can know. Peace😇
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