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8/5/2025, 11:28:01 PM
Islamic Values - Deception
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sold13r
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8/6/2025, 1:20:18 PM
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Well to be fair when islam was ruling the world for almost 1400 years there was much more peace in the world. The wrong doers were in fear and constantly getting checked mated. Now that islam is not ruling the world we have never been closer to the destruction of the entire world. And the lieing you are talking about is normally in two occasions, one is war, the other is bring hearts together. We dont need to hide our faith lol.... islam is the fastest adopted religion in the world and thats without the "sword"
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sonatime
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8/6/2025, 3:18:06 PM
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An outside perspective: A choice between two evils is no choice at all because you are still picking evil. The Western world is mostly conquered politically and or by their respective deep state apparatuses. The gates for Islam are held open. Everything from hate speech legislation, welfare, open borders, double standard policing, political power is being handed out. You might consider this an achievement or god's will but I see it as a useful globalist ploy to culturally and demographically destroy the West. Do you think Globalists will rollover and give up power and usury banking to Islam? Islamic fighters have been used by the globalists ever since Afgan-Soviet war. Islam is a weapon being used by globalists just like Marxist ideology.
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sold13r
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8/6/2025, 11:01:36 PM
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If your thinking modern day expression of islam, I guess you can make that case but if you look at for example the Ottomans, its a completely different story, as well as the seljuks. We can even make the case for the abbasid and ummayds as well. Especially the Ottomans were not a lesser evil they were the force repelling evil. After their fall in WW1 all hell broke loose in the world. They were the dam keeping evil at bay
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sonatime
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8/7/2025, 2:34:36 AM
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Most of that Islamic history is not known to me. Often times when change happens it is not as organic as it might be perceived in history books. England was morally correct in opposing slavery, for example, only for most of the world to be turned into a different phase of economic slaves:) I'm guilty of not finishing the book FOUR YEARS BENEATH THE CRESCENT https://archive.org/details/fouryearsbeneath0000rafa/page/n7/mode/2up What caught my attention was the author, "soldier of fortune", claiming that most of the "Young Turks" were crypto-jews - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh If I remember correctly, Jewish organizations tried negotiating for Palestine with the Ottomans but were rejected and it was my speculation the "Young Turks" purposefully sabotaged or went against the interests of the Ottoman Empire to bring its collapse and lessen control of Palestine.
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sold13r
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8/9/2025, 5:43:54 PM
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Yes exactly, the crypto jews were called donme. The group jews are slipping my mind, but the group jews that became hidden was because the other jews were complaining to the sultan that they were passing their limit. The leader of these jews that were passing their limits is a big messianic figure in modern day Judaism. Mustafa kemal is one of those crypto jews. Yes its also true the zionist founders came to the Khalifa and tried to bribe them and they got kicked out. They offered them mountains of gold. Meaning to pay off all their debts, fund them for war, pay to build the strongest navy. But they refused, Britain accepted. Modern day islam is just coup that was done by arabs funded by the west. They are the original isis, al quiada
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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8/5/2025, 11:43:07 PM
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Is this like Talmud discussions on lying?
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sonatime
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8/5/2025, 11:45:37 PM
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same coin, different sides:) Did I miss a worthwhile thread on Talmud and lying?
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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8/6/2025, 12:08:40 AM
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Eh, maybe, I'm not referring to one in particular. What I meant was, are these terms for lying discussed in the Qur'an the same or in a similar way to how lying is discussed in the Talmud.. I'd assume so.
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q2025
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8/7/2025, 7:33:35 AM
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Finally someone asks the right question... lying is not permitted in Quran lying is not permitted in hadith (Quotations of Muhammad and his companions) So no, its not permitted in Islam. Some clerics and scholars over the years have given their personal opinion that "white lies"might be allowed only if... 1\. If its a matter of life and death 2\. It stops a war and slaughter 3\. To reconcile a married couple Anyone is free to search the hadith and Quran, both are online for free.
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sonatime
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8/6/2025, 12:14:19 AM
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It appears so to me
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8/5/2025, 11:35:58 PM
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8/6/2025, 12:45:24 AM
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No fan of Churchill but... 
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8/6/2025, 12:30:07 AM
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“The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state.” "Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth." "Authority is no source for truth." 
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