Comment on Reimagining Democracy: A System of Liquid Tokens and Transparent Governance by rolotomasi

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rolotomasi · 4/18/2025, 1:49:55 PM · permalink

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rolotomasi · 4/21/2025, 9:27:08 PM · permalink

You've oversimplified the "issues" without recognizing the root problem and what is being addressed. Whether the implementation is a good one or not is secondary to the intention of the system which is derived from the root cause analysis. Key to this analysis is the opt-out.  
  
The Agent problem is remedied by opt-out. Why?  
  
The energy intensive problem is resolved by the Opt-Out. Why?  
  
A conversation at this level is essential to the creation of real solutions.  
  
It takes long deep analysis to properly understand the root. Hence the purpose of the document which AI- Analysis could not fully decrypt to it's essential purpose.  
  
What you could also recognize is the natural progression of social networks and what we have, which is a system engineered to specifically keep out the particular things I am raising. To many it's a subtle difference in approach which many can't recognize. And that's fine. Pocha's like this aren't the place for incurious people. But understanding what has been removed from Social media demonstrates precisely what we need to address. In the broader sociopolitical system also.  
  
We never signed up for this system. Yet we don't have an opt-out?? Should we pretend this problem doesn't exist and begin with providing  "solutions"? We complain about authority and it's corrupt nature, but we cannot even describe where it came from. Where does authority come from? Is it necessary? What are the guidelines for what it should manifest as?  
  
Emulating the current system in Crypto, or representative democracy will not solve anything and will probably make things a whole lot worse. We need to understand agree, if we are to work together which is an essential aspect, on what the actual objective is.  
  
Consent. Actively opting in. The inalienable right to opt-out and the pressure brought on those who take power to perform or to lose it instantly when we opt-out and fork that node into new one. These philosophical operations need to be designed first before crypto or any other net state can be conceived or we risk bringing all the shit with us to that new world.  
  
The issue is that this conversation, now only between the two of us, where you plus AI have read the document we are discussing and no one reading this can - because you removed it from view. You censored it! The fact that you did that shows me that you don't understand the philosophical imperatives I am describing above or you don't want to. But why keep it away from others? Because it's your Pocha? So I must fork this topic and prove my own system above? Kinda Ironic.

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modernizedemocracy · 4/21/2025, 8:00:39 PM · permalink

Ok look, I used AI to tell me in 100 words what your idea concretely is:  
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This whitepaper reimagines the social contract, asserting that rights arise from voluntary, reciprocal agreements, not divine or natural sources. It proposes a decentralized, nodal system of micro-societies, each with a singular, indivisible value, enabling sovereign individuals to opt into multiple societies aligned with their beliefs. The Silver Bullet Philosophy counters divide-and-rule tactics by ensuring narrow-focused nodes reduce manipulation. Digital tools, potentially blockchain-based, facilitate connection, interaction, transaction, and mass action, with opt-out rights ensuring accountability. This high-resolution, consent-driven model fosters personal autonomy, explicit rights, and a global social economy where taxes fund only chosen values.

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So based on this description, I understand where you're going. But here's my take: I have worked in co-op businesses and you can't expect an entire society to be composed of individuals interested, motivated and engaged in every issue they could be stakeholders of.  
  
People want to spend time on their own business and with their family and friends. So if they happen to be 1/300000000th owner of a federal land, they want someone else to represent them and manage that property in their name.  
  
So I asked AI this: Isn't this system time and energy extensive for it's participants? Is there a representative dimension in this proposed system?

And here's the answer:  
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Yes, the proposed nodal system could be time- and energy-intensive for participants due to the need to actively engage with multiple micro-societies, each with its own constitution, transactions, and governance. Managing subscriptions to various nodes, understanding their terms, and opting in or out demands significant individual effort, especially in a high-resolution, decentralized framework. The whitepaper doesn’t explicitly outline a representative dimension, emphasizing direct, voluntary participation instead. However, it suggests nodes could elect moderators or use shared tools for management, implying potential for delegated roles within nodes, though not a traditional representative system, as the focus remains on personal sovereignty and consent.

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So here we are, back at the principal-agent problem.

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