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11/5/2025, 10:28:22 AM
John 14:6
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eldermillennialx
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11/5/2025, 3:12:14 PM
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Bro - stop taking these biblical verses out of context . Also, stop haphazardly explaining knowledge that you clearly do not have. So let me explain it to you: John (14:6) Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Jesus said “I am the way and the truth…” Every prophet that God sent to mankind from Adam, Noah, John, Zachariah, Moses, David, Joseph, etc. was also the way and the truth because all those prophets preached the message of God to mankind. Therefore, they were the way and truth. Jesus said “No one comes to the Father except through me” which means “through his teaching” which is the Bible that God gave to him to preach to people. Christians assumed that it means “except through worshiping me” which is completely incorrect because Jesus clearly testified in the Bible that he is not God. He said “the Lord our God” which means his God too. Also, note that Jesus said “the Lord is one” which means that Jesus is not part of God i.e. trinity.
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gracejoy
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11/5/2025, 9:12:05 PM
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That's the Muslim POV. That said, I'm surprised Muslims have no objection to Gnosticism.
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gracejoy
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11/5/2025, 10:02:22 PM
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Apologies, @eldermillennialx. @sonictitan's Post crossed my path, I didn't notice it was the Islam pocha. Not until it crossed my path again & again, so I looked & noticed it was being reposted. My luck, I saw the Islam one, first. I'll report my Comments, ask that they be removed.
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eldermillennialx
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11/7/2025, 7:40:17 AM
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We believe in the Injeel and the Torah (not the corrupted versions of today). 
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11/7/2025, 7:48:08 AM
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gracejoy
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11/12/2025, 3:37:22 PM
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"*We believe in the Injeel and the Torah (not the **corrupted** versions of today)*." [**2:87**](https://quran.com/2) Indeed, **We gave Moses the Book &** sent after him successive **messengers** \[prophets\]. And We **gave Jesus**, son of Mary, clear **proofs & supported him with the holy spirit** \[Gabriel relays Allah’s messages to prophets\]. Why is it that every time a messenger comes to you **˹Israelites˺** with something you do not like, you **become arrogant**, **rejecting** some & **killing** others? [**3:3**](https://quran.com/ali-imran/3) **He has revealed** to you ˹O Prophet˺ **the Book in truth**, **confirming what came before it**, as He revealed the **Torah** & the **Gospel 4** previously, **as a guide** for people, & ˹also˺ revealed **the Decisive Authority** \[the Quran\]. Surely **those who reject Allah’s revelations** will suffer a severe torment. For Allah is Almighty, capable of **punishment**. **%%Corruption%%** is prevalent **everywhere**, worse daily, b/c **Satan** knows his time is short (**Rev 12:12**). The **Quran is likewise corrupt**, I could post **Jay Smith** videos. **We know each other's arguments & still disagree, so** **what's the point**? We've just met, elder, so I'll tell you that **I'm already beset by Atheists, New Agers, Catholics, & Christians** who demand I follow them instead of **my Lord & God, Jesus Christ**. I understand **you consider Jesus just a prophet**; **but** as a Biblical Christian, I see it differently. He does more than relay the Word, like prophets, **He IS the Word** (**John 1:1-5**), **& the only way** (**John 14:6**). He's **my One & Only**. If you're curious, [I listed NT verses](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/fb5661ca080c3dbb761ec798b5593d8e/comment/77289) when I added my opinion among those of mostly unbelievers. I had a brief talk there w/@tajudeen\_bin\_tijani (Muslim), & w/a Christian who disagrees w/me. I have no interest in endless, circular debates w/any of you, I only add my opinion, on occasion. I'd think this site allowed that. **Revelation 22:10** Then he told me, “*Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near*. **11** ***Let the one who does wrong continue** to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let **the one who does right continue** to do right; & let the holy person continue to be holy*.” . ···━━━━━━━ **†** ━━━━━━━··· . **I believe God is in control**; & I trust **He'll judge me by *His* standards**, not by those of random & divergent men who cross my internet path. I reported my Comments, my intrusion was unintentional. I believe **in Informed Consent**, extrapolating to *everything* the [Nuremberg Code](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-code) (it uplifted **Free Choice**; & declared that info / **knowledge is necessary for in order to make one's best decision**). I believe in **Free Speech**, which means I support your right b/c it ensures my own. **Unfortunately**, too many abuse it, rendering it a weapon of Censorship. As such, I %%can only hope you will **agree to disagree** w/me about Jesus, **lest we distract from** (at best) **or aid & abet** (at worst) **the Digital Hell being built** around us%%. . ···━━━━━━━ **†** ━━━━━━━··· . **Zios believe** "*the enemy of my enemy is my friend*." **I disagree**. Still, %%we don't need to be friends to **agree to at least not ignore a pressing concern**%%, the ascent of **the elite's religions**: New Age, Pantheism, Theosophy, Transhumanism, the Occult. **Unless**, of course, you & they partnered as enemies of Biblical Christianity🤔 **Muslims**, like New Agers, etc., **consider the NT so corrupt that they ban entire Books** from use in argument: 1^st^ the ones written by **Paul**; & more recently the four Gospels, of **Matthew Mark Luke & John**. **%%Christianity is targeted 1^st^%%**, by *everyone*, **b/c** Muslims, Hindus, Pantheists, & Atheists all agree that Jesus is one of Many teachers & gods. I, a Biblical Christian, **accept Jesus as The Only One**. ➤ June, '23. "**WEF Calls for [AI to Rewrite Bible](https://slaynews.com/news/wef-ai-rewrite-bible-create-religions-actually-correct/)**, **Create ‘*Religions That Are Actually Correct*.’**" Yuval Harari is homosexual, so that will be a positive in the re-write. AI is Satanic. ➤ **New Age** proselytizes **self-divinity**, Jesus-is-Love, & the **Universe is God** in its amalgamation of everything from Ancient Egypt / Babylon to **Kabbalah** to Gnosticism to Pantheism to Theosophy. It, not one of the "Abrahamic religions," **is slated to be the %%One World Religion%%**, **as promoted by the religious arm of \[Rockefeller's\] UN's Lucis Trust**. Note its [**Great Invocation**](https://www.lucistrust.org/the_great_invocation) (below) suggests **substituting** "**Christ**" w/whatever **World Teacher** \["Coming One"\] applies to one's Faith: "The Lord Maitreya \[**Buddhism**\], the Imam Mahdi \[**Islam**\], the Kalki Avatar \[**Hindu**\] & the Bodhisattva \[**Buddhism**\]," Messiah \[**Judaism**\]. In **Abu Dhabi**, for ex., just 1/2 hour North of the **Pope's [Abrahamic Family House](https://religionnews.com/2023/02/17/abrahamic-family-house-changes-all-the-rules-of-interfaith-understanding/)** (Synagogue, Mosque, Church) in Abu Dhabi is the recently built [BAPS Hindu Mandir Temple](https://www.mandir.ae/news/ap1VurfHzW31hTMXWuY6), [on the way](https://www.google.com/maps/dir/BAPS+Hindu+Mandir,+Abu+Dhabi,+P6+Al+Taf+Road+-+E16+-+Abu+Mreikhah+-+Abu+Dhabi+-+United+Arab+Emirates/GCJ4%2B84F+Abrahamic+Family+House+-+Jacques+Chirac+St+-+Al+Saadiyat+Island+-+Cultural+District+-+Abu+Dhabi+-+United+Arab+Emirates/Logo+Islands,+Dubai+-+United+Arab+Emirates/@24.7714066,54.0929486,306699m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x3e5e533c466f5cd1:0x45ee5a21818f719b!2m2!1d54.7313733!2d24.6160676!1m5!1m1!1s0x3e5e6785784e0257:0xcf44464050269659!2m2!1d54.405847!2d24.5307445!1m5!1m1!1s0x3e5f6c89a2d4910f:0xa08202ea11fecdf7!2m2!1d55.0500993!2d25.0639449!3e0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) to Logo Islands. **Perhaps I'm mistaken that Islam would be against such things**.  
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eldermillennialx
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11/19/2025, 3:20:02 PM
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so if you believe that corruption is everywhere, then surely you must know that your beliefs, too, are corrupt. The idea that a mere man becoming a god is a corrupt idea in nature especially in your bible it states: "Malachi 3:6, which states, 'For I am the LORD, I change not;'" Secondly, I don't care what your beliefs are and I don't do the persuasion. So for all those religious groups that demanded that you follow them, I don't even do that. لكم دينكم ولي دين You have your faith and I have mine. In regards to Isa ibn Maryiam, may be peace and blessings be upon him, he is not the same as the one you worship - Jesus. Isa ibn Maryiam is not white like the Europeans depict him, black like the Africans depict him or Asian like the Koreans/Chinese/Japanese depict him. Isa ibn Maryiam is a Prophet sent by the 1 true God - Allah (Ela by the Jews and Alaha by the Christians) to warn & remind the children of Israel (aka Prophet David) . I have already explained what John 14:6 means, but this is under the assumption that the Bible is not corrupt because remember, like you said, corruption is everywhere. Also, I believe you have taken John 1:1-5 out of context because no where does it mean that Jesus is the Word. I have the power of the internet at my fingertips and so I can do my own research with the same biblical verses you've presented. Adding your own opinion and not wanting a "circular debate" is an oxymoron wrapped up in a contradiction, but I digress. You can comment all you want, just be respectful and actually comprehend what we counter offer.
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/7/2025, 8:04:15 AM
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Always trying to stir the pot you aren't you.... You just can't help yourself but keep from providing prime examples of your devious and wicked bitterness.... Other people having thoughts or beliefs that aren't the same as yours get pissed over every you chance you get, all the while you fail to recognise your poisonous ways.... Get a fuckin grip of yourself.
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gracejoy
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11/12/2025, 4:28:41 PM
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"*Always trying to stir the pot you . devious and wicked bitterness.... Other people having thoughts or beliefs that aren't the same as yours . poisonous ways.... Get a fuckin grip...*" **%%Projection%%**: I voiced an opinion; & **you, a Brit** whose teachings include mocking Free Speech, resorted to **Ad Hominem, slander, & intimidation** (allegedly "not allowed" by soju's rules). **I'm still** "***surprised** Muslims have no objection to **Gnosticism**." S*eems both agreeing that **Christianity must be blotted out, is most important**. You didn't hide your "**Gnosticism**" this time, either: **You put it in one of your Comments**: @eldermillennialx didn't notice it or my mention of it; @tajudeen asked "*which Muslims*;" & @2025 doesn't mind any heresy as long as it's anti-[Christian](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/02f7ac7e3f40656fa50ad2725bf40ce4), -[Zionist](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/bb043fa7a274d184e6a603cd0a215ad8/comment/81590), or -[American](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/16513e406357d07eff416394fd32f411/comment/88548). He didn't mind when I showed you saying the "***God** the Jews worship ... **is a pagan storm god***," after all (last link, he's "*not here to police people*"). As such, q2025 **also shouldn't mind [your insulting Mohammed](https://soj.ooo/p/the_synagogue_of_satan/post/bb140e3f75c3575587582a2a38ae23d5/comment/77724)**, just one of his many prophets. All that matters: You're against Paul, the NT, & Jesus as anything more than a teacher: 
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gracejoy
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11/13/2025, 10:40:40 AM
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@tajudeen\_bin\_tijani & @q2025 I miswrote your names when I tried tagging you in my previous comment. Please click "In Reply To" above this notification to see;' & it; & click it more often, if necessary, to see the ensuing conversation. 
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q2025
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11/13/2025, 1:43:40 PM
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Hi again Grace. My God and my prophet dont need me to defend them. And they ask me to avoid getting into unnecessary arguments, especially with believers in God. But truth be told, I do try to dispel misconceptions when I see them, if its an intellectual discussion. I do remember a discussion about the allegation of homosexuality based on a misquoted and misunderstood hadith, and I remember clarifying the issue as best as I could. I don't remember if it was this thread or some other one. Irrespective, again, I don't see every comment, and even if i do, I ignore most of them. And its not because of who makes the comment or who it's made against. Homosexuality is an unnatural sin in Islam and the Quran and the prophets are all very clear about that. One misquoted hadith doesn't make Muhammad gay, just as John 13:23 doesn't make Jesus gay: “One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was reclining at table at Jesus’ bosom" With that out of the way, can you please stop assuming I'm biased and only intervene if someone is bashing Paul or the New Testament. That's demonstratably false. On this very forum I've also defended the Bible, Judaism, Jews and Indians and I've criticized people who identify as Muslims. I just don't have time or inclination to jump into every argument. Peace 🙏
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gracejoy
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11/18/2025, 3:12:51 AM
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"*My God and my prophet dont need me to defend them. And they ask me to avoid getting into unnecessary arguments, especially with believers in God.*" **Yet you [empowered an argument](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/16513e406357d07eff416394fd32f411/comment/87151) by helping a Gnostic blame me** for what I'd just reported about the Illuminati, elite, UAE, S.A., Jared, & Israel; & then argued w/me b/c I didn't agree w/you that it was funny. **You don't object to him calling** **Mohammed a homo & paedo**; but you lecture me about it🤔. I know why💡: **%%With me you can deflect to Jesus%%, as if** spreading a "what-about Him" story you know is false will magically prove hadith about Mohammed to be false🤔. **You inspired me to take notes on [the video from which you deflected](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttJ24ADsPOE) to Jesus** (linked in my previous comment, to which I tagged you), **the one w/hadith explaining how Mohammed was given** "***the strength of 30 men***" (to service his 11 wives, nightly). If you want to lecture about it, I suggest you lecture the one who introduced the video.  **David Wood** reads from a study by Bruce Rind PhD that **explained Muslims' custom to have** "***marriage-like arrangements between men & adolescent boys***" (starting at 10 - 11, too young for facial hair), w/the Quran even calling them "*pearls*" (hidden, scattered, etc.). Apparently **penetration** "***was believed essential to boys' physical & spiritual development ... transferred male power to them***"). Then, after **many hadith** as examples of Mohammed as gullible, David showed **Raymond Ibrahim telling about the Al Zutt, a tribe of viral, dark-skinned Indian or Paki men; & how Mohammed was** "*exhausted & in pain*" after being "***ridden***" **by 30 of them one night, to gain their strength** (of course, he also had a young man \[whom he said was the angel Gabriel\] penetrate him occasionally after that, to keep up his strength). . . "...*please stop assuming I'm biased & only intervene if someone is bashing Paul or the New Testament. That's demonstratably false ...I've also defended the Bible, Judaism, Jews . Indians and . criticized people who identify as Muslims. I just don't have time or inclination to jump into every argument*." I didn't assume; & it's not "*false*" to say you bash Paul & the NT: **I linked examples** (in this thread). **You defend the parts of Christianity that Islam appropriated; & trash the rest**. You **deflect from Islam's wrongs to Christians'** or Americans' (linked), as if it makes Islam's wrong OK. **You have arbitrary rules** where, for example, I can't use Paul's words; but [you used them](https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/bb043fa7a274d184e6a603cd0a215ad8/comment/81590) to deflect from a Muslim's apostasy to Christians women. Your sometimes defending various minorities is irrelevant. You have time to jump into arguments to mock me & Jesus, or to tell me I'm "false" or "lying" when I'm not; but not to defend Mohammed from being called a homo paedo🤔
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/12/2025, 4:38:19 PM
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Touch grass, you crazy cat lady.
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gracejoy
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11/12/2025, 5:00:47 PM
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Fabricated narratives, slander, & Ad Hominem are STILL not valid arguments to convince me to self-censor at your demand.
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/12/2025, 5:03:42 PM
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You keep doing that like it means something... it doesn't, it simply proves you're a narcissist with a superiority complex that is unable to self reflect.... Have a nice day...
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gracejoy
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11/12/2025, 5:17:33 PM
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Doing what, **rejecting your Ad Hominem & Projections**, presented as fact? **Rejecting your blatant hypocrisies**? Here's another, you **ending insults w/**"***have a nice day***," as **a Spell to hide your inversions**. I can see why you hate the NT: @Matt must read a different bible, if he picked you to run the site🤔  . **Isaiah 5:20** Woe to those who call evil good & good evil, who put darkness for light & light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet & sweet for bitter.
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/12/2025, 6:06:39 PM
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"I can see why you hate the NT: [@Matt](https://soj.ooo/u/matt) must read a different bible, if he picked you to run the site🤔" Why are you making up delusional false claims?
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/12/2025, 6:05:20 PM
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Rejecting and denying the reality of your own poisonous and vindictive mind. This lady, she is describing you and your behaviour here, pretty dam well.... Maybe something to think about there...... Or in your gencase so far, maybe just ignore and blame someone else...    After seeing this though, you'll likey again, take no time for self reflection or a breath, before coming back at me with some half baked retort, once again denying and rejecting your own behaviour while projecting it onto me..... I've already told you, you won't get away with that shit with me.
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gracejoy
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11/12/2025, 6:08:24 PM
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More Projection, coupled w/mind-reading🙄
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thoughtcriminal_1984
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11/12/2025, 6:21:37 PM
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Thought as much..... you are a real wicked women for sure, I hope no man has ever had the unfortunate pleasure of being near you..... 😐🤦♂️
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