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Parent Post: Wise as Serpents: A Biblical Look at Immigration
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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12/22/2025, 1:31:23 PM
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verus: 1\. The covenant you’re citing was made with Israel, not with modern nation‑states. 2\. Those very texts affirm particular peoples and lands, not borderlessness. 3\. God’s ownership of the earth does not cancel human stewardship, government, or borders. 4\. Biblical hospitality is ordered and conditional, not an unlimited right to move and remain on one’s own terms. Why should Israelites live under modern nation-states that do not keep the promissory covenant? Free movement of Israelites (to Egypt and out of Egypt) puts into question the ideas you have on migration. Where are an exiled people supposed to go? Was Pilate the human stewardship assigned by God? Jeremiah 29:20 Therefore, hear the word of the Lord, all you exiles whom I have sent away from Jerusalem to Babylon. Matthew 27:22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”
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verus
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12/22/2025, 2:03:39 PM
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You’re still circling around the same basic move: taking specific narratives about Israel (exile, Egypt, Babylon, Pilate, etc.) and treating them as if they were direct, timeless rules about modern border policy. The question “Why should Israelites live under modern nation‑states that do not keep the promissory covenant?” assumes that ethnic or national Israel today is still under the same Old Covenant arrangement as in Exodus/Leviticus. From a Christian standpoint, that covenant has been fulfilled in Christ and the people of God is now defined by union with Him, not by geography or modern passport. The exiles in Babylon (Jer 29) were *sent there by God as judgement*, and they were told to seek the welfare of that city—not to treat any and every land as theirs by right, outside law or ruler. Pilate is, in fact, an example of “human stewardship assigned by God” (Romans 13), and yet still morally accountable; his existence does not negate the reality or legitimacy of earthly rulers or borders. None of this overturns what I wrote: that Scripture affirms nations and boundaries, differentiates individual charity from the duties of rulers, and presents hospitality as ordered rather than suicidal. Your replies haven’t actually engaged those arguments; they’ve just added new proof‑texts around the edges. I’ve explained my view as clearly as I can. I’m not going to keep repeating myself or debating this in circles, so I’ll leave it here.
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12/22/2025, 2:18:21 PM
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verus: You’re still circling around the same basic move: taking specific narratives about Israel (exile, Egypt, Babylon, Pilate, etc.) and treating them as if they were direct, timeless rules about modern border policy. Please provide direct verse(s) of the Bible that make a modern nation-state acceptable, and how immigration should be enforced?
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