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Parent Post: Wise as Serpents: A Biblical Look at Immigration
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verus
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12/22/2025, 12:49:56 PM
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You’ve now repeated yourself and added Exodus 19 and Leviticus 26 as if they overturn what I wrote. They don’t. In fact, taken in context, they underline my argument rather than yours. **1\. The covenant you’re citing was made with Israel, not with modern nation‑states.** The “promissory covenant” in Exodus 19 and Leviticus 26 is a specific, historical covenant between God and Israel in a defined land. Modern nation‑states cannot “abandon” a covenant God never made with them. These passages are not a universal migration charter, and they do not require every government on earth to treat its borders as irrelevant or to accept unlimited inflows on demand. **2\. Those very texts affirm particular peoples and lands, not borderlessness.** Exodus 19:5–6 says: “Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” God’s ownership of the whole earth is precisely the basis on which He sets apart one people from “all nations” and gives them a calling and a land. Leviticus 26:42 speaks of God remembering His covenant with the patriarchs and “the land” He promised to their descendants—again, a defined people in a defined territory. The logic is: God owns the earth, therefore He appoints particular peoples, covenants, and territories. That is the opposite of your attempt to use these verses to erase meaningful national and territorial distinctions. **3\. God’s ownership of the earth does not cancel human stewardship, government, or borders.** That “the whole earth is the Lord's” is basic biblical theology. But the same Bible also says God has “determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place” for the nations (Acts 17:26), and it charges rulers with protecting those under their care and restraining evil (Romans 13:1–4). Using “God owns the earth” to imply that other peoples have no right to boundaries, no right to prudent screening, and no right to say “no” to hostile ideologies is not exegesis; it is proof‑texting to support a political position. **4\. Biblical hospitality is ordered and conditional, not an unlimited right to move and remain on one’s own terms.** The Old Testament commands Israel to treat the sojourner with justice and love, but the sojourner was welcomed under Israel’s law and expected to live within Israel’s covenant order. Scripture does not grant outsiders a right to enter, remain, and reshape the host society, or to agitate to place the host nation under a rival law. That is exactly the distinction my article makes: Christians are called to personal mercy and hospitality, but governments are not commanded to adopt reckless, self‑destructive immigration policies or ignore real threats in the name of “compassion.” **5\. You are not engaging the actual argument of my article.** My piece addresses the difference between descriptive narratives and prescriptive norms, the difference between individual duties and the duties of rulers, and the biblical balance of care for the sojourner and responsibility for one’s own household and nation. Simply pasting new verses out of context while ignoring these distinctions does not interact with what I have written. Furthermore, as a Christian, I argue from the authority of the Bible alone; I do not accept the Qur’an as an authority, nor do I believe it can be used to interpret or override Christian doctrine. I’ve responded here for the sake of clarity, but I’m not going to keep going in circles. If you want further discussion, it would need to involve a serious engagement with the arguments in this article, not repeated slogans, out‑of‑context proof‑texts, or more links to your own material.
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12/22/2025, 1:31:23 PM
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verus: 1\. The covenant you’re citing was made with Israel, not with modern nation‑states. 2\. Those very texts affirm particular peoples and lands, not borderlessness. 3\. God’s ownership of the earth does not cancel human stewardship, government, or borders. 4\. Biblical hospitality is ordered and conditional, not an unlimited right to move and remain on one’s own terms. Why should Israelites live under modern nation-states that do not keep the promissory covenant? Free movement of Israelites (to Egypt and out of Egypt) puts into question the ideas you have on migration. Where are an exiled people supposed to go? Was Pilate the human stewardship assigned by God? Jeremiah 29:20 Therefore, hear the word of the Lord, all you exiles whom I have sent away from Jerusalem to Babylon. Matthew 27:22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”
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12/22/2025, 2:03:39 PM
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You’re still circling around the same basic move: taking specific narratives about Israel (exile, Egypt, Babylon, Pilate, etc.) and treating them as if they were direct, timeless rules about modern border policy. The question “Why should Israelites live under modern nation‑states that do not keep the promissory covenant?” assumes that ethnic or national Israel today is still under the same Old Covenant arrangement as in Exodus/Leviticus. From a Christian standpoint, that covenant has been fulfilled in Christ and the people of God is now defined by union with Him, not by geography or modern passport. The exiles in Babylon (Jer 29) were *sent there by God as judgement*, and they were told to seek the welfare of that city—not to treat any and every land as theirs by right, outside law or ruler. Pilate is, in fact, an example of “human stewardship assigned by God” (Romans 13), and yet still morally accountable; his existence does not negate the reality or legitimacy of earthly rulers or borders. None of this overturns what I wrote: that Scripture affirms nations and boundaries, differentiates individual charity from the duties of rulers, and presents hospitality as ordered rather than suicidal. Your replies haven’t actually engaged those arguments; they’ve just added new proof‑texts around the edges. I’ve explained my view as clearly as I can. I’m not going to keep repeating myself or debating this in circles, so I’ll leave it here.
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12/22/2025, 2:18:21 PM
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verus: You’re still circling around the same basic move: taking specific narratives about Israel (exile, Egypt, Babylon, Pilate, etc.) and treating them as if they were direct, timeless rules about modern border policy. Please provide direct verse(s) of the Bible that make a modern nation-state acceptable, and how immigration should be enforced?
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