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3/3/2025, 6:36:36 AM
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3/9/2025, 12:29:25 AM
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This is a reasoning I have conflict with personally as to why I do not describe myself as a Christian. If god allows the world to descend into a hellscape of depravity. I withhold my right to disavow his intention. is not any true devotion to an overwhelming power obedience? Not that i am challenging any religion, just to pose questions. I tend to play devils advocate even on things I disagree with.
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okinawajawa
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3/10/2025, 3:23:01 PM
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It allows the wheat to separate itself from the chaff. Or to put it another way: suppose you see a beautiful woman (I'll assume you're a man). You think about her day and night. You develop a love for her. You dream up scenarios of a life together. You don't approach her and ask her out because you fear she'll reject you and all those fantasies crumble, the future you were wishing for lying at your feet. Instead, you wish you could just make her love you the way you've been loving her in secret. If you could, in this scenario, would you make her? Would you remove that pesky free will of hers just so you could have what you wanted? Her love, her loyalty, her devotion to you? Would that be love? True love? Would that elevate either of your states of grace, thereby taking you closer to God, and Him to you? God loves you too much not to respect your right to choose Him, a right to choose that He Himself gave you.
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3/10/2025, 9:14:40 PM
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No that sounds horrible to remove someone's free will. Love that is conditional is not a relationship I would be interested in. But I get your point well said.
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blueberryeyes
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3/9/2025, 2:13:37 AM
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I call that free thinking. It's what it's about. This is a tough one that I've always struggled with. I grew up Catholic (Irish, Boston area), and reality didn't always gel with lessons from catechism classes, where indocrination ruled supreme. As a kid, I didn't know my ass from my elbow, surrounded by contradictions. So, I did my best. I don't know if you experienced catechism, where the nuns in habit ran the classes wielding a yard stick. I sat up front (12ish years old) where she paced back and forth, too often slamming the ruler down on my desk to help get her points across to everyone. Nuns had it tough. I am positive they struggled daily with the very things you mention. Anyway, one day, she slammed that ruler down on my desk, I jumped, my blood rushed to my head, I grabbed the ruler (we were both holding it now) and I gave her a very stern look. She was probably scared and I got kicked out....for good. I was not obedient. I had to choose not to be in that moment. It seemed like the right thing to do for both of us. We aren't supposed to be perfect, and I believe that when something before us is challenging or sense of what's right or wrong, it's okay to grab the ruler and make your own decisons. Don't be obedient. It's okay. If it wasn't an option in God's eyes, it wouldn't exist. We're stuck with it. And I like it.
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blueberryeyes
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3/9/2025, 3:27:00 PM
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I hadn't ever thought of this before now, but even with this one "ruler" example/experience, did God put the nun and me, in that instance under those circumstances, together to effectuate his work? We both had something to learn? 🤔 What do you think? How does that work with right place right time right circumstances, God works in mysterious ways, God brings us what we need, etc.?
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3/9/2025, 8:19:38 PM
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That is a perspective I've seen. It really comes down to your belief. What even is god? Some Alien? Some artifact from the original singularity achieved somewhere in the universe? Some endless loop of creation and destruction to simulate the game of life? Just a vague Higher Power? Back in ancient times, The Church was the leader in science, as it was seen as an honorable quest to understand the ways in which god works. **%%Now%%** science in many ways has been corrupted ie "I **Am** the *science*" -fauci It is a good story you posted though, a great way to describe the opposing yet intertwined lessons for both you and the nun to learn. Your keen insight is not unnoticed. You probably needed some discipline and she probably needed to know better how to provide it. Each kid learns in different ways and a good teacher should adjust to the individual pupil. It's hard for me to give a clear answer, as "God works in mysterious ways" also applies to the people who are born into extreme poverty and suffering beyond their control. A good soul can face suffering, for what reason? I cannot decipher. Many work their way out from the suffering in some countries, many don't. However much of life is suffering, look at the lives of wild animals. Too paraphrase: "You will see me in the ways I move throughout the winds" *Can't think of the original quote*. Coincidence, deja vu whatever you want to call it, it certainly is real we all experience it.
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blueberryeyes
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3/9/2025, 8:58:11 PM
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You're spot on. I also cannot reconcile with the world-wide suffering.
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3/9/2025, 2:28:56 AM
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The human condition is a blessing and a curse. The right to free will and **self** is our only control as an individual.
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blueberryeyes
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3/9/2025, 2:31:59 AM
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Perfectly said. God's a little troublemaker.
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goyim
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3/9/2025, 2:18:44 AM
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Fuck yeah, covid really exposed the dangers of those who will conform and accept crippling surveillance and fascism without question. Mask nazis literally berating a mother in a store with a child to 'get the fuck out of here!' The mob with pitchforks came out real quick and the thirst for control and conformity was clearly desired and expected from everyone around them, truly a terrifying reality of your neighbors
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dangun
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3/8/2025, 5:18:06 PM
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Betas are truly scary.
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