Comment on Islam and pedophilia by deletejuice

deletejuice · 2/28/2025, 4:41:10 PM · permalink

Let's dissect your argument one by one. @redpillrick

Your first claim is that Islam is the only religion which justifies child marriage, which in your words is "pedophilia". Let's this to test &amp; look at what other major faiths/ideologies have to say about this -

**%%Christianity &amp; Judaism:%%**

1\. Rebekah was married to Issac when she was 3 or 10-12 years old, there's difference in opinion but a "minor" none-the-less.

2\. In Old Testament, Numbers 31 17-18, in reference to geting revenge against the Midian, God commands Moses to kill all men, women &amp; male children but keep all the virgin little girls for themselves. In verse 25, God commands to divide all the loot including the little girls amongst the combatants.

3\. In Deuteronomy 22 28-29, God says - "And if any one should find a child virgin who has not been betrothed, and should force and lie with her, and be found, the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the damsel fifty silver didrachms, and she shall be his wife."

4\. In Talmud (Steinsaltz Edition Volume 7 Part 1), while defining who is a non-virgin during marriage it says - "If a grown-up man has had intercourse with a little girl less than 3 years old, or if a young boy less than 9 years old has had intercourse with a grown woman, or if a woman has been injured by a stick and as a result her hymen has been ruptured, in each of these cases the woman is entitled to a ketubah of 200 dinarim when she marries." As @thoughtcriminal\_1984 said, maybe read the Talmud.

5\. Unlike most Chritians, majority of Jews and Rabbis, including Rashi, have an agreement that Rebekah was 3 when she was married to Isaac and use to it define their Jewish laws. [Here](https://youtu.be/aCvf71ZZRf4?si=IIry4mnBtKTgPRSw)'s a Rabbi saying the same.

**%%Hinduism:%%**

1\. Mahabharata 13.44.14 - "A person of 30 years should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of 7 yrs of age"

2\. Padma Purana Vl.118.2-15 "A man should marry his daughter as long as she has not attained puberty. Wise men recommend a girl's marriage when she is eight years old"

3\. Manusmriti 9.94 "*A man thirty years old shall marry a charming maiden twelve years old; or one twenty four years old, a damsel eight years old; in the event of his duties suffering, he may do it sooner.*"

**%%Liberalism &amp; Atheism:%%**

1\. In 1880s, 37 states in US had an age of consent of 10 whereas in Delaware it was 7.

2\. Age of consent in Japan was 13 till 2023, which is now revised to 16.

3\. Age of consent in Spain in 1822 was "puberty" which was changed to 12 in 1870, 13 in 1999 and 16 in 2015.

4\. Sir William Blackstone, in his book - Commentaries on Laws of England Vol 1 (which is taught in Oxford), mentioned that a woman can be given in marriage at 7 (pg 442)

5\. On several occasions, Kings used to marry off their daughters to other kingdoms before they were even born to strengthen relations.

6\. In today's time, 40-55% of high school children in US have had penetrative intercourse in US which would be even higher if Oral sex is included. 25% of high school children have had involved in sexting with exchange of pictures. None of this is prohibited or made illegal. But doing this + taking responsibility under a marital contract is somehow frowned upon.

So with the above mentioned facts, it's clear that your claim that only Islam justifies child marriage is totally wrong. Almost every culture does or did at some point. Now, if you really have a problem with Islam, you should have the same issue with more than 90% of human civilisation up until a few hundred years ago.  
  
**%%Do muslims support pedophilia?%%**

Your next argument is that because we are supposed to follow the Prophet (SAW), it means vast majority of muslims support marrying at 6-9. Prophet Muhammed (SAW) being an example of mankind is not related to his personal preferences and actions but rather to his obedience to the revelation from Allah. Allah has not revealed a set age of marriage in Islam rather he revealed a set of laws which – based on the environment &amp; time – adapt to produce a healthy marriage.

Several Islamic laws need to be taken into consideration for the marriage to work which are but not limited to:

1\. ***capability*** \- this includes financial, physical (ability to give birth) &amp; mental capability (ability to provide and manage the family).

2\. ***puberty*** - perhaps the most obvious one

3\. ***consent*** \- of the man, woman and their parents/gaurdians (all together)

4\. ***risk of harm*** - which is the most relevant one here since marriage at 9 years old in the 21st century is just begging for health problems and abuse. 9 year olds in the middle of a desert in 7th century witnessing tribal attacks every now &amp; then simply can't be compared to the softies of today who can't even put food in their mouth if the wifi is down.

Hence, using our laws we can determine on an individual basis whether they are fit for marriage or not. Age simply can't capture all these conditions since there are several people below 18 who are mature enough to marry and above 18 who are yet to reach that level of emotional/physical/sexual maturity so as to be fit for marriage.

If you really want to point fingers at someone, it's them Jews &amp; Saars, who have a codified age of marriage in their scriptures.

**%%Was the Prophet's (SAW) marriage to Aisha (RA) moral?%%**

Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws of that time from over the world and religions. In society today to be considered an adult, you usually must be 18 years old or above however this didn’t exist back then, a big number of people married at young ages.

It is also important to note that Aisha (RA) was engaged to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, who wasn't a muslim, before she married our Prophet (SAW). Which means Prophet's (SAW) proposal to Aisha (RA) wasn't out of the usual, like what the kaafirs of today claim.

There was a reason for Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, it was not because of Lust or even Love. It was more of a benefit for both - she would carry on the legacy of teaching people the things he did, and he would teach her things about Islam to help him spread the message of Islam. Our Prophet (SAW) did not marry Aisha for desires, but because of her intelligence at such a young age. To have the maximum of her getting knowledge from our Prophet was through marriage, and this way she could convey the teachings to women at her time more easily as she was the same gender and could relate with women better.

If Aisha was really hurt by this marriage, she had a golden chance to have a beautiful divorce and piles of money few years after the marriage but she wasn’t, and she didn’t. She could even run away and start a new life after Prophet's (SAW) death, but she didn't and instead became one of the primary figures in Islam who spread the message of truth to the people, especially women, after our Prophet's death.

**%%Is the age of Aisha's (RA) marriage up for debate?%%**

First of all, the age of Aisha's (RA) is not an article of faith - meaning one doesn't have to believe that she was married at 6 in order to be a muslim. Any muslim can deny this claim based on number of reasons and still stay a muslim.

Now coming to the question - yes, as @vinnytheguinea mentioned, her age of marriage is not unanimously agreed upon by all scholars simply because their are contradictory narrations of hadith which mention her age to be 14 or 19. The reason is that date of birth wasn't something that Arabs used to keep track of and hence many of them themselves weren't sure of how old they were. What they kept a track of was date of death.

That said, Aisha's marriage at age 6 is mentioned in an authentic hadith which was narrated by Aisha (RA) herself and hence that's the primary belief of most muslims too.   
  
**%%Are most pedophiles muslims?%%**

As @mella mentioned, pedophilia is not something exclusive to religion, instead it's exclusive to humans in general. Although there's are no such statistics for a religion wise breakdown of pedophiles in history, unfortunately most cases of pedophilia which are highlighted in MSM are the ones which involve a muslim - this is evident from the media outlets in India, US, Germany and recent events in UK. Instead as per my observations, most mass scale pedophilia gangs &amp; rings are led by people of a particular community who shall not be named and not be accused lest you want to be in jail - whether it be pizza gate or Epstein files or sex tourism in Thailand/Philippines/Bali.

That said, unfortunately in most muslim countries in the mid east, subcontinent &amp; south asia there are some muslims who violate the laws of marriage and are involved in forceful child marriage and pedophilia as well. All of this is condemned &amp; punishable by Islam and I think we as a one muslim ummah need to do more to speak about these people and put them behind bars.

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