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q2025
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3/6/2025, 4:35:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure that all 3 Abrahamic religions explicitly state or implicitly imply that if God willed there would have been no misinterpretation, no evil, no suffering, no injustice etc. God allows all of these, for whatever reason. We don't understand why but it's a fact. Difference is that believers consider God's wisdom to be far superior to their own so they accept it as part of God's divine plan. Meanwhile, disbelievers think they're smarter than the creator of the universe, so obviously God can't exist if they can't make sense of his moral code or don't understand how a multidimensional entity could exist or why God's messages seem inconsistent to their divine intellect. That's the day I became a believer, when I realized "wait, i can see for a fact that 99% of this is true, includimg this stuff that wasnt proven till a 100 years ago, just because I don't understand the last 1%, doesn't mean it's not the true, maybe I just dont get it because the creator must infinitely more intelligent than me." Peace upon you too 🙏
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3/6/2025, 6:02:35 PM
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Thank you for that reply...you make some interesting points. You make a good point when you write, "that if God willed there would have been no misinterpretation, no evil, no suffering, no injustice etc. God allows all of these, for whatever reason." For whatever reasons....ouch. And believers are okay with a God that gives no justification for his lack of good work? This is odd. If God willed ...then no suffering? Then God did not will that...yes? Seems like not a good God. God allows it? If God allows evil...then God is evil. But how does anyone "know" that God allows it? How do the believers know this? Maybe their God cannot stop it. That seems more realistic and the evidence is everywhere. Unfortunately for believers, the evidence of their facts, are no where to be found. You say believers consider God's wisdom to be far superior to their own. That may or may not be true, but it is a belief...not a consideration...yes? However, that does not make God's wisdom a real thing. Just your 'belief' is real...maybe. Your final comment....how do you get to see for a "fact" that 99% of "this" is true. What is true? And how is any of it "fact". You may have taken a leap of faith...not fact. Yes? Again, thank you for pushing this conversation forward. Peace.
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3/6/2025, 6:56:02 PM
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You're right on many points. I guess it comes down to if you believe in a creator or not. If you don't, then the whole faith forum sounds like fantastical fairytales, at best, and evil or idiotic at worst. If you do believe in a creator, then logicallt you must take into account the kind of intelligence, power and ability that any creator must have had to create such a vast universe. And if you accept that such a powerful creator exists, then I guess you automatically accept its superiority and seemingly limitless abilities, hence godliness. Believers will always view the world through their tinted lens and see confirmation of their faith in countless events and intricacies. Non-believers will similarly view the world through their own tinted glasses and see nothing but coincidences, lunacy and brainwashing. I mean, even if holy books written thousands of years ago described aspects of time dilation, universal expansion, big bang stages and other astronomical details, a non-believer could attribute it to coincidence or possibly to a time traveler from the future or misinterpretation bias. All comes down to personal faith and belief. Peace to all
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