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Parent Post: The future, Islam, and Islam's future: resisting or surrendering to secularism.
bigbottle
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4/13/2025, 6:31:05 AM
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Muslims are not immune to such ideas. And some people are chasing those ideas instead of following Islam. I would say Muslims are running into the following issues: \- Feminism \- Liberalism \- Secularism \- Nationalism Some Muslims see the economic prosperity and military hegemony of western countries and take that as to say their world view is the correct or true one due to that success. Of course, it is a false attribution because just because some one is materially successful it does not mean their world view is the correct one. Islam has mechanism to be "immune" to such reforms. Muslims are human beings that make mistakes and errors. They have free will and that's where you get things like a feminist or LGBT (or fill in the blank) "Muslim". It is 100% worth it to preserve those values. That doesn't mean stagnation as it was the Muslims that innovated in the past (ex. Islamic Golden Age). Who's to say what will happen when Muslims become a global majority. We already almost are, yet Muslims are unable to stop the genocide in Gaza. What clearly needs to happen is that the Muslims must unite under a new caliphate. Without that it won't matter if they are great in number. Islam will overcome all these opposing beliefs no doubt. It won't be without sacrifice however.
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carp30mnia
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4/13/2025, 10:25:26 AM
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\>>*Some Muslims see the economic prosperity and military hegemony of western countries and take that as to say their world view is the correct or true one due to that success. Of course, it is a false attribution because just because some one is materially successful it does not mean their world view is the correct one.* Indeed, the fact that immorality can sometimes be 'successful' doesn't mean it's superior or worth imitating. Maybe it's *meant* to appear like that, so it's easier to sell to/corrupt others. But I'd also add it's a '***doubly***' false attribution since the West's economies/societies are (in many ways) dying while still being exaggerated on the global stage. This way it can still be 'bought into' by other non-Western nations... before the West's system collapses. Despite false advertising, the West has been in a slow decline (even materially) for a while now, committing cultural suicide via corruption: choosing short-term profits and physical comforts over everything else. For any new 'growth', mostly it's the 1% who reach new heights while the rest sleep-walk into poverty. People will blame it on multiple reasons and they'd be right, but the decline in spirituality also happening is a bigger factor than usually acknowledged. What the West and its values used to be at their 'peak' (not perfect, but better in some ways) is increasingly alien to its current self. Either way, moral decay is a huge societal problem and makes the West less and less worth envying. I wish more people both inside and outside Western nations would realize this. And you're right, large numbers barely matter if there's no common cause to unite them... like a billion raindrops versus a collective ocean wave 🌊. But I think Muslims will figure it out.
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bigbottle
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4/13/2025, 4:15:07 PM
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Fantastic points. You are right in that many of these western nations are in decline. They're birth rates are very low and immoral action has become normalized. Your point on economic growth is spot. Most growth has been going to the top to make the one percent richer. Rarely does it go to the bottom or the middle. It seems like the middle class is shrinking.
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