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Parent Post: Questions About Israel You Can't Ask At Church
wendyfl
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3/6/2025, 10:58:32 AM
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Q 1a Didn’t the Israelites descend from Isaac and the Arab nations from Ishmael? Genesis 16 & 21
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mstansfield
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3/6/2025, 3:19:31 PM
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That all depends on whether or not you believe in the promises of God. According to the Bible Ishmael will never share in the Promise Land of Isaac, but the Arabs have lived in the Abraham land inheritance for thousands of years. Also it says that only the descendants of Isaac would be named after Abraham, and every Arab is named after Abraham. So this is from the same chapters that you referenced, why not believe it?
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wendyfl
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3/6/2025, 3:28:09 PM
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My Bible says neither of those things. Of Ishmael: “And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation.”” Genesis 21:17-18 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/gen.21.17-18.NKJV Of Isaac: “But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.”” Genesis 21:12-13 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/gen.21.12-13.NKJV 🤷🏼♀️
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3/6/2025, 3:59:52 PM
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Notice Ishmael is %%a%% great nation, while Abraham is prophesied to be many nations. So why tribute Isaac as only being one nation and Ishmael as many? It is also prophesied of Ishmael that he will be in conflict with all brothers. Notice brothers is plural, not singular. Remember Abraham had third wife with many children that became Arab nations as well. For instance, Median became the father of the Midianites. If the Arabs were Ishmaelites, how can they be in conflict with Median if the Ishmaelites and the Midianites today are one and the same people? It is also prophesied of Ishmael that he will be east of all his brothers. Again brothers is in plural. Now what is the one nation in conflict with the Arabs to the east of them that is a singular nation with a people too numerous to court? Hasn't India been in conflict with the Arabs because of the differences between monotheism and polytheism for more than a millennia? Are not they also a nation too numerous to count? But Christians like India while the Son of God conceived through the testimony of Gabriel has stretched out his arms to the east and to the west becoming many nations, resurrected from the grave just as Abraham prophesied. And yet Christianity and Zionism is yelling Crucify Him! Crucify Him! As you are now witnessing in Gaza. So I tell you gentiles, the first born son through Adam, if you put his second born God Son through Abraham on the cross and murder him God will resurrect him from the GRAVE! Such is the Armagedón and such is the resurrection when the firstborn son Cane murders the Second Born Abel. I present you to the present world as evidence of Christianity's crime and their determination for the FIRE!
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