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roarthernlights
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4/1/2025, 11:59:21 AM
American Pochas?
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sacredcow
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4/1/2025, 12:16:21 PM
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The thing with gathering free thinkers is that it is basically like herding cats. It doesn't work well, the group thinkers are better in groups. Someone on here will call you a fed in this thread, I'll wager some of fil-let mig-nons on it.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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4/1/2025, 12:54:02 PM
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Not if there is consensus on one or a few principles.
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sacredcow
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4/1/2025, 2:21:00 PM
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Well? I don't agree your god exists. I doubt we will come to an agreement on many things. You and your religion can't agree on the Non-aggression principle. You think everyone who doesn't believe in your book is wrong.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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4/1/2025, 2:39:49 PM
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Do you agree that no human being should compel other human beings?
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sacredcow
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4/1/2025, 4:38:15 PM
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That is the basic principle of the Non-aggression principle. Your book doesn't say that. All religions want control. You think you are correct, that doesn't make it true. You base life of blind faith. Please present a case that your god is real and other gods aren't real.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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4/2/2025, 8:57:36 AM
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#Quran chp 10 ver 99... **Do you want to force** the people to become believers? chp 18 ver 29... **whoever wills** let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve... chp 2 ver 190... GOD does **not love** the aggressors. chp 2 ver 256 There shall be **no compulsion in religion**... chp 3 ver 114... advocate righteousness and forbid evil... chp 4 ver 29... You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you. chp 6 ver 12... He has decreed that mercy is His attribute... chp 7 ver 28... GOD never advocates sin... chp 7 ver 158... To Him belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no god except He. He controls life and death...
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sacredcow
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4/2/2025, 12:09:31 PM
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Yes, your holy book says a lot of things that can't be proven other than reading your holy book. You only have circular logic. You have no proof or evidence of your god.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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4/2/2025, 6:36:58 PM
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I believe in The God of 'No Compulsion' (in religion, worldview, ideology etc.). Evidence: Neither God, nor I have compelled you to believe in The God of 'No Compulsion'.
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roarthernlights
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4/2/2025, 5:44:00 PM
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It will probably be difficult for you two to find any sort of agreement or logic with a chain of comments trying to prove if or which God exists within a post pertaining to the proposal for a building initiative
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matt
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4/1/2025, 2:16:12 PM
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If you lead selfishly, you need group thinkers to follow. if you lead with purpose and mission, the free thinkers will walk together.
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sacredcow
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4/1/2025, 2:23:16 PM
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I've swallowed to many black pills. Great free thinking humans have been around a long time but the masses keep doing what they are doing. Ron Paul was laughed at. Come to Savannah Matt... I want to cook you some steak.😋
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matt
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4/1/2025, 2:30:27 PM
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I’ll make it out that way sometime soon. 4 hour or so drive.
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matt
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4/1/2025, 2:14:44 PM
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The People's Open Cultural House for Alternative Systems - love this idea. 😎 haven’t talked a lot about future ideas yet, but have some big things working that will tie everything together. i sincerely appreciate your passion and willingness to lead and serve. It’s amazing and truly inspiring. stay tuned. Just need a little more time.
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roarthernlights
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4/1/2025, 3:32:28 PM
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Good God, I love me some Koreans!
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ian.l.h
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4/1/2025, 5:31:21 PM
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Do you think a Civil Union Of The American People could be formed? Possibly funded voluntarily by willing citizens. I think we need an organized resistance to government over reach. Big Brother could be kept in check by a Civil Union, a Big Daddy lol, we need to be able to defend the rights of the people against both government and mega corporations. I do not have a clue how to form such a Union, I'm just throwing the idea out there. Work place unions were able to win a lot of benefits for workers in the past, and a Mega Union that represents all Americans might be a solution for "We The People". We are being trampled over by unfair and unjust government policies, and we really do need to find solutions fast. Do you think of an American Civil Union could be beneficial? And welcome to soj.ooo sir,.
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roarthernlights
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4/1/2025, 9:18:19 PM
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Thank you as well good sir! Don't know if I have an idea for what a union looks like more than what is supposed to be upheld in part by the constitution. From what I understand, the 'legal structure' was changed with the creation of the federal reserve, THE UNITED STATES corporation, and the installment of social security numbers that claim to transfer us as collateral instead of sovereign beings protected by a constitutional union. That would be one of the motives with this POCHAS concept, to cultivate local points of gravity that have physical tangibility and sway; otherwise how does any one initiative gain enough traction to have consensual awareness and be enacted in opposition to such efforts from government overgrowth or mega corporate influence? There needs to be some sort of human contract similar to a constitution that is distributed and signed by most if not all of the population, expelling the current legal framework that seeks to enslave us and monetize our rights. Getting to that point of cohesion seems impossible without the smaller frameworks of structure and culture that have largely been (purposefully) destroyed or relinquished to one technological advancement or another. Thus, we POCHA!
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4/1/2025, 10:05:13 PM
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@dangun burner
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roarthernlights
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4/2/2025, 6:13:24 AM
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burner of what?
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ian.l.h
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4/1/2025, 9:40:53 PM
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Thanks for your reply roarthernlights. Much appreciated.
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4/1/2025, 3:37:00 PM
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"The People's Open Cultural House for Alternative Systems" love this, great first post!
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