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9/7/2025, 5:04:32 AM
I fear this guy is right
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gehstur
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9/8/2025, 10:15:33 AM
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The rightoid conservatives hate the schools because they were ridiculed and said stupid things at school. Schools are a social space where smart people come to learn new things and discuss things intelligently among many differing opinions, the most social opinions usually win. Social opinions being, yes to more social programs, like nationalized kinder-gardens, subsidised youth activities, especially healthy youth activities, more democracy, cleaner streets, cleaner homes, less violence, abuse, trash, fires etc. etc. The right wing has some kind of ideology where they think doing nothing is somehow big brain smart, bad cope. Capitalism and libertarianism ends up with south african gated communities paying for their own private security while voting for less and less government, meaning the national police in underfunded and they pay double tax, one tax for shitty state and one tax for private schools, private police, private military etc. etc. I mean, some people think its ok to live behind massive electric fences and for their children to drive their armored cars over dead people on the shitty roads to school. It doesn't have to be that way you know, you could live in Norway. Step one is to stop hating people. Step two is to talk to them.
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carp30mnia
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9/8/2025, 11:11:40 AM
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The claim that conservatives “hate schools” because they were ridiculed is a pretty unfair oversimplification. A lot of conservative critiques of education aren’t about personal grudges but about issues like curriculum, bureaucracy, perceived political bias, or government inefficiency. And framing schools as places where only “smart people” thrive while conservatives reject intelligence is just a strawman—it ignores the real, nuanced disagreements people have about how education should be run. South Africa is actually a bad example for that argument, because the country doesn’t represent pure capitalism or libertarian minimal government. It has a very large, interventionist state, high taxes, and expansive social programs on paper (*it’s one of the most interventionist governments in the developing world, in fact*), but chronic corruption and mismanagement mean those resources don’t translate into working public services. That’s why people end up hiring private security or sending their kids to private schools—not because the government “did nothing,” but because it did a lot *badly*. The problem there isn’t a lack of state involvement, it’s the failure of state institutions to deliver. People who opt for private solutions in that environment are making a rational choice. If anything, it shows that throwing more government programs at social issues isn’t enough; good governance and accountability matter more than just the size/funding of the government. While there are white-exclusive communities (i.e. Orania), there are other gated estates—like Dainfern, Val de Vie, Kyalami Estates, and Aspen Hills—which are much more racially diverse. These communities are focused on lifestyle, amenities, and security rather than cultural or ethnic exclusivity. And they offer reliable electricity, water, private security, schools, and healthcare — the basics people feel the government can’t always guarantee. This shows the situation is more complex than just “hatred.” I'm not saying this is ideal (far from it)—but reducing the problem to “just stop hating” (aimed only toward people seeking alternative solutions) misses the deeper reality: people often turn to private self-reliance out of necessity when the state itself is dysfunctional. In the end, self-determination isn’t just better than statism—it’s the only real safeguard against a failing state.
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gehstur
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9/8/2025, 11:58:09 AM
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South African government is extremely lenient to all kinds of lolbertarian efforts. Private schools should not be allowed, private security should not be allowed, electric fences should not be allowed, guns should not be allowed. Countries like China takes notice at the trend of gated communities, and they are horrified by it. They don't want the middle class to live separated by bulletproof glass, to the lower class. They look at British anglo classism as something to avoid at all cost. Thankfully Germany and other non english speaking white countries are not like this (yet) but they're getting there. China takes intelligent steps to mitigate classism, they don't outright ban electric fences like I suggested above, but they'll make small adjustment in their city-planning to deliberately blur the line between the classes as best they can. This is the type of government we need, a government without subverting jews, that looks at what works in the world and takes the best of what has been tried. Some capitalism to encourage productivity and development, and some socialism to mitigate all the negatives. China totally screwed over housing speculators in 2020 with their three red lines and made housing affordable to regular people as a state policy. "*houses are for living not speculating*" Based! China keeps doing this, and jews cry big tears. Exploiting should not be profitable. Monopolize exploitation and give the monopoly to the state. State gets to exploit, politicians should be bathed in money so they have all of their needs fulfilled and can instead concentrate on playing simcity irl.
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 9:43:31 AM
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Here's the correct link to the video title you gave: https://www.youtube.com/live/sS9xidsyxXY ^Stuff like this really make me wish we could edit our posts^
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meinkraft
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9/7/2025, 10:10:27 PM
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Thanks. Autoplay had already moved on to the next video.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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9/7/2025, 1:49:40 PM
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Imagine all the liars editing their way out of being proven as liars.
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 2:00:55 PM
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Fair point.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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9/7/2025, 2:02:40 PM
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Trump: lock her up, lock her up... Perhaps, he wishes he could memory hole that.
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logical
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9/8/2025, 12:41:36 AM
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and now they seem to be best friends, funny how that works.
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 2:28:17 PM
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For sure. But he'll claim it was hyperbole or something. Why it's so important to archive as much as possible. Earlier, I was more frustrated/thinking about fixing honest technical mistakes (i.e. wrong links, bad formatting). But any other kind of major edit would make people less honest, like you said. So I agree overall that it's better to leave stuff unchanged.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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9/7/2025, 2:33:12 PM
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They've been lying to us for centuries, and wouldn't they like that we have no verifiable proof against them? 
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 2:50:27 PM
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Interesting video! I hadn't thought of the acceptance of government authority itself as a religion before. But makes sense. What do you think would be the best solution/alternative to statism? No government at all OR a much much smaller and weaker one?
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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9/7/2025, 3:01:51 PM
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Organic community building. Those who want Statism can live under it, and those who want something else can live under it. Freedom of Choice.
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 3:39:27 PM
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I like the idea, but even if it were somehow achieved, I’d worry it wouldn’t work long-term without the larger state eventually stepping in to remove that choice. Historically, governments not only tend to be power-hungry and expansionist, but they also wield greater power simply by being larger, more organized, and better resourced than smaller communities. For this to last, you’d need a state tolerant enough to recognize non-governable communities -- and stable in its “by consent” approach to governing. Otherwise, a change in leadership could easily sweep away past “freedom of choice” agreements with independent communities. What I'm wondering is: how could an organic community defend itself or compete against a larger state without, in the process, becoming a state themselves?
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hyokkim
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9/8/2025, 12:48:24 AM
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That's kind of political system I envision, after the implosion, and the ultimate, inevitable victory of true fascism over the Zionist flunkies. An emperor, with multiple vassal kings, and free cities/republics within the imperial federation. All with independent militaries/economic/political systems, in alliance/competition with each other, but still striving for OTNI; with elections in free cities/republics based on proportional representation. https://soj.ooo/p/modernize_democracy/post/6dfc4c0ae05d7aa5496a1fc38bdfcbd5 https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/42c0e72c02641cdb06a052b5ff4cdc31
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carp30mnia
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9/7/2025, 9:41:41 AM
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⚠️ Btw: your link was incorrectly titled and I did not realize this until I clicked it. The actual video link goes to: *Consumerism is the Perfection of Slavery - Prof Jiang Xueqin* This was my response before I realized the error. (but giving the amount of energy I spent on replying to it, I'm still posting it) **\---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** **1\. Marx’s “Success” was really just Governments Pre-emptively Defusing Potential "Revolution"** \>> The lecture claims that “every industrial society adopted Marx’s ideals after WWII” by centering workers through unions, welfare states, and public services. But this was never a true realization of Marx’s vision. It was a containment strategy from the beginning. Western governments expanded worker protections not because Marx was right, but because they feared Marxist revolution. Welfare states, strong unions, and education programs were designed to buy worker loyalty and prevent radical politics from spreading. Even in this so-called worker-centered period, the very foundations were being laid for a transition to consumerism—alongside the rise of Big Government as a mechanism of containment and control. **2\. Consumerism is as bad as it is because it's specifically Debt-Consumerism** \>> The speaker treats consumerism as mostly a matter of desire and competition but fails to go in depth about its crucial mechanism: debt. He does not expand on debt as a structural feature of modern consumerism. %%Consumerism by itself%% (buying goods as markers of status or happiness) could, in theory, **be self-limiting**. People would only spend what they actually have, and the pace of consumption would be tied to real earnings. %%Debt-consumerism%%, however, takes the brakes off, with debt becoming the main engine of the system. Credit cards, mortgages, student loans, and buy-now-pay-later schemes let people consume far beyond their means. Modern consumerism doesn’t just thrive on people buying things—it depends on people borrowing to buy things they can’t yet afford. Debt turns consumerism into a self-reinforcing cycle. This makes consumerism: \- **Faster**: Credit enables people to consume beyond their wages. \- **Deeper**: Debt ties people more tightly to the economic system, since they must keep working to repay it. \- **Binding**: once you owe, you’re tied to the system, forced to keep working and consuming \- **A Societal Precondition**: Industries (housing, education, healthcare) restructure themselves around easy credit, ensuring that debt isn’t exceptional but normal. This is why financial crises (2008 being the prime example) are consumer crises rooted in over-leveraged debt, not just overspending. **Without debt, consumerism would be smaller and slower.** With it, consumerism becomes turbocharged—fueling growth but also creating systemic instability, financial crises, and a population locked into repayment. In this sense, debt-enabled consumerism specifically is what makes consumerism so horrible and enslaving as it is today. **3\. Neglect of Identity Politics' Role** \>> The lecture ignores a massive contemporary force: identity politics as the major divisionary framework today. Workers no longer see themselves primarily as a unified class. Instead, society is fragmented along racial, gender, and cultural identities, amplified by consumer platforms and media. \- Political coalitions now fracture more over cultural identity than over economic policy. \- Universities, corporations, and governments often prioritize symbolic identity representation over material worker gains. \- Social media turns identity into a consumer product (hashtags, pronouns, slogans), where individuals market themselves as representatives of a cause. **4\. Debt-Consumerism + Identity Politics = Today’s Real Divide** \>> The lecture ends by calling consumerism “the perfection of slavery,” but this misses the modern twist: identity politics \- Debt-Consumerism atomizes individuals, while identity politics tribes them back up—not as workers, but as competing cultural factions. \-The elites no longer need to suppress class solidarity directly—identity politics does the work for them by keeping people fighting symbolic wars instead of uniting over shared economic concerns. \- Example: Debates over cultural symbols or gender issues dominate headlines, while corporate consolidation, wage stagnation, and debt slavery go largely unchallenged. %%Recommended Reading%%: [The Trouble With Diversity by Walter Benn Michaels](https://prospect.org/features/trouble-diversity/) (leftist): argues that celebrating “diversity” doesn’t challenge economic inequality — in fact, it can coexist perfectly with neoliberal capitalism. (Example: a diverse boardroom of billionaires still keeps everyone else poor.) \----------------------- **Where Left and Right Both Fail at Targeting Class**: Most of the left stops its critique at consumerism, while most of the right stops its critique at identity politics. The left points out how consumerism breeds shallow competition, alienation, and endless debt, but rarely explains how consumerism fuses with identity to become a cultural battlefield. Meanwhile, the right highlights how identity politics fractures society and erodes shared values, but often ignores how consumerism monetizes identity and turns it into marketable brands. By treating these critiques separately, both sides miss the larger picture: consumerism, debt, and identity politics are not rival explanations but mutually reinforcing forces, keeping people distracted, divided, and locked into a system that benefits the few at the top.
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meinkraft
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9/7/2025, 10:42:06 PM
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I appreciate the time and effort put into this. Informative. "The Trouble with Diversity" is a good read as well.
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meinkraft
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9/7/2025, 10:09:13 PM
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I just realized I posted the wrong video. This is the one I meant to post. [Israel Wants to Unite Itself by Breaking the World - Prof Jiang Xueqin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9xidsyxXY)
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hyokkim
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9/8/2025, 12:54:57 AM
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He lacks economic foresight. https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/48635bc8a1722e425f0f3466de6baf36 https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/3fcd587bf88259dd25787f7ff4e44926 https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/1314b528e41801a4555c8bcb8042e1ff ....and here is the way out: https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/fc90c6c2b3e607a66051c584dd11e6b4
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seraphima
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9/7/2025, 9:43:11 PM
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As someone who has taught all over the country and at universities and two-year junior colleges, you’re right. Most places are universities are bastions of “open minded” liberals who pride themselves in being tolerant to whack job ideas because the more out-there they are, the better. That’s creativity, right? “Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” They want people to know all the theories so as to, presumably, help them (kids) make up their own minds but no one ever teaches them how to think. They’re just expected to smile and nod and over time, they believe everything. Well, except for anything that seems like common sense. I loved attending a big university. I wouldn’t have wanted to go to some Christian all-girls school or anything. I’m so grateful I was exposed to the shady underbelly of sick reality. But that’s me. Nowadays, I teach objectively. I teach about reason and how to apply reason. Still, my colleagues have always been and still are extraordinarily liberal (or they pretend to be) and try to indoctrinate their students.
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