Comment on White America by saarnok

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saarnok · 3/18/2025, 12:24:08 PM · permalink

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saarnok · 3/25/2025, 4:27:20 PM · permalink

You're definitely correct, but still wrong. "Black people" are now and have always been more violent, more impulsive, more inclined toward theft and filled with a sense of entitlement than Europeans, which is really saying something if you think about it for a bit.  
  
Prior to the Roman conquest, Europe was easily the match for anyplace in terms of sheer savagery, descended from the greatest warriors, or perhaps simply monsters humankind has ever produced, evolved to, perhaps not exactly thrive, but at least survive in a world wherein they, as vicious and brutal as they were, were just barely able to keep ahead of the wildlife.  
  
We tend to think of Europe as a rather pastoral place with nothing more dangerous than weather and other humans, but as recently as WW1 the battling armies had to call a truce while they stopped to deal with the wolves.  
  
Think about it. They had rifles, machine guns, cannons and tanks by this time. You'd think wolves would have just been collateral damage, unintentional casualties of the battle. But they posed such a challenge that both sides agreed to put off fighting until they'd dealt with the wolves.  
  
What other people in the world can list something like "The hundred year war" on their resume? And yet, despite being descended from people who seemingly were better at war than farming, they found themselves needing machine guns to defeat Africans armed with spears. And they weren't even shy about admitting it. African foot soldiers were formally considered as mounted cavalry when making battle plans and said plainly: "Whatever happens, we have got The Maxim Gun - and they have not."  
  
In the America "slave uprisings" while rare were not unknown, and as far as I've ever read were universally nothing more than an attempt to kill as many white people as possible.  
  
Contrary to the narrative of white racists roaming the countryside looking for "niggers" to lynch, lynching was at least in the vast majority of cases an honest attempt to enact justice, or at least what the mobs considered justice against perpetrators of crimes and as a warning to others not to imagine they could get away with assaulting primarily women and children.  
  
Black men are even worse than whites when it comes to pushing the limits of acceptable behavior, essentially playing the "I'm not touching you!" game, and when they've pushed it long enough to suit them that they won't be stopped, moving to full out assault. The thrill of making their intentions clear while yet not quite crossing the line is something I dealt with when my kids were 5 or 6. Some people never really outgrow that phase. Probably because they never got called on it.  
  
These people, whether black, white, jew, you name it become absolute experts at accusing you of oppressing them for simply noticing their bad behavior while always pushing the limits of what anyone will accept.  
  
In the case of the "black community" they've essentially won their independence. The law is that you cannot simply walk into a store, grab stuff and run away. In the "black community" it's expected and encouraged, and when the store closes down, removing the free stuff from the "community" amid cries of discrimination and racism. In the "black community" it's perfectly fine to throw your garbage on the street, openly pimp "hoes", destroy other's private property, destroy public property, and so on and so on.  
  
And, yes, this is absolutely exacerbated by the destruction of the family, and yes, this absolutely affects white people as well. What affects white people even more is the absolutely unrelenting push by what has now become the legacy media to actually promote the idea that not behaving this way or criticizing this behavior is horrible, evil, racism.  
  
It was at least thirty years ago that my then boss asked if I'd noticed that practically every advertisement which featured a man portrayed men as useless idiots. I said I hadn't noticed that, but since he brought it to my attention I not only could see it was mostly true, but eventually realized it had been the case since long before I was born.  
  
There's an old radio show called "Fibber McGee and Molly" featuring what we can refer to as perhaps the first "Al Bundy", but he's probably not. Earnest, inept, bumbling fool, merely tolerated by those around him. "The Honeymooners" featured a whole gang of ludicrous fools who's chief representative was the star of the show.  
  
Sure, there's been a "Brady Bunch", "Cosby show" or some similar show now and then which fairly consistently treated the father as practical and respectable, but the vast majority of cases revolve around the father, if one exists, is ridiculous and stupid.  
  
An extremely notable exception is Julius on "Everybody hates Chris", another not quite so good example is Daryl on "The Hughleys", an even less good example is "Bernie Mac".  
  
Note, that these are all fairly recent examples (from my perspective they were yesterday) and they all feature good *black* fathers.  
  
But, since the 70's I can't think of any show that portrayed white fathers with white mothers and white children even as existing for the most part, certainly not as a complete family. The closest I can think of off the top of my head is "Hannah Montana", and in that one I think Billy Ray Cyrus might be the only dad in the entire show.  
  
If you want to see examples of white men portrayed as clumsy buffoons, absentee fathers, idiots, uncool, and just plain bad, try this experiment. Turn on your TV or go to your streaming service. Select a show at random and watch.  
  
The only way you're going to stumble on a "good dad" in a modern show is if he has gay or trans kids. Not totally true, but I like my odds if you do the experiment.

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chkninsaar · 3/25/2025, 6:28:17 PM · permalink

Even without turning on the TV I know exactly what you're talking about. The only good example of a white family with a dad that's not portrayed as an idiot is Last Man Standing. But you're right, that there is an obvious push to make gay or diverse families look like the only families that are happy and treat each other well, despite all actual evidence to the contrary. Gay couples have higher divorce rates, some as high as 75%.    
  
I'm sure you've heard the phrase "You are the sum of the 5 people you spend the most time with." But relationships have largely been replaced by entertainment now. So people who are watching garbage TV like reality shows or listening to crap like Cardi B or Ice Spice they start to absorb those messages, and as long as people can claim that they're not as bad as some other person then society will keep lowering standards until it all looks like an episode of Jerry Springer like it does now. So there's definitely a cultural aspect that feeds into whether society will improve or be thrown off a cliff.  
  
Then there is whether laws are being upheld and to what extent. In Dubai, people don't steal because the punishment is losing your hand, and they actually follow through with that punishment. But if the laws can be ignored and people are allowed to steal up to $1000 worth of merchandise with no repercussions, then why not?  
  
Thomas Sowell goes more in depth about this in the Government Functions chapter of Basic Economics, but if you take away people's right to property, they have no incentive to work. It basically eliminates self-accountability because there is no incentive. Our government knows this and has done this intentionally so eventually the masses will demand government intervention to stop all the crime so they can expand their powers even further.  
  
All this to say, to some degree I see your point, but eliminating one race wouldn't solve the problem. It's a bottom-up issue that can only be solved by people abandoning the victim mentality and start taking some accountability for their own actions.

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saarnok · 3/26/2025, 4:00:35 AM · permalink

I think we're certainly in the same train of thought.  
  
If we simplify "we need dads" to "cultural degeneracy sucks" I think we're getting pretty close to having seats in the same car on that train.  
  
Love Thomas Sowell, but it's been WAY too long since I read his books and articles, I don't even recognize the title you mention, but I was blown away by his reasoning thirty-forty years ago.  
  
It's been hard, like having a pet put down, pulling away from Sowell's views on racial... similarity, but I end up referencing him practically every racial discussion I get into.  
  
If you don't love, and I mean really love the man, you need to be put on the sociopath watch list or something, and I guarantee that I'll cry when he dies even more than I do when I just realize that he's soon going to.  
  
If we get to vote on people to ACCURATELY model with AI for eternity, he's way up on my list!  
  
But I've grown world weary and savvy enough to recognize motivated reasoning, even from him. I don't fault him one iota for his opinion about how black people would be just like white people if they got to grow up the same. Unlike any woke liberal moron, he can and does provide justification for his claim, but reveals therein WHY woke liberal morons instinctively don't do that sort of thing.  
  
He unfailingly refers to blacks who chose to live in Germany following WW2, apparently not realizing these people are multiply filtered in order to be there.  
  
First, they qualified for military service and didn't qualify for prison. That's two filters already. Second, they were able to thrive in an ordered military environment, which is possibly two or three filters in addition to the first two. Finally, they actually preferred the prospect of living their lives, not where they grew up, but in basically the whitest, most ordered place they could even imagine living in.  
  
All that said, with the caveat that I don't believe I can truthfully say I know for sure, I think the odds are on my side.  
  
Regardless of the reasons why, whether genetics, upbringing, whatever, it seems clear that black people in America are a significant net negative on average. Regardless of how evenhanded and fair I wish to be with them, MOST of them simply hate everyone else and will actively seek to destroy whatever they see as "white" which can simply be defined as civilization if they think they can.

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chkninsaar · 4/19/2025, 5:09:52 AM · permalink

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saarnok · 3/18/2025, 7:21:04 PM · permalink

Not really. People of predominantly European descent had 600 or so years of culling where some significant percentage were executed for not being able to behave. People of African descent didn't have that selection pressure.  
  
Drugs are another matter entirely as for most of our existence as a civilization most people didn't have time, money, or access to most addictive substances.  
  
Modern society is wealthy enough and would presumably be far wealthier as a "white" nation, which would automatically include more time, money and access to addictive substances.  
  
We can only speculate about what a "white" nation would be like, because there's no example of a country throwing out other "races" in anything even similar to a modern context. One could argue the Germans did it prior to WWII, and that the "experiment" was a great success, but there are many reasons to not consider that example even as relevant.  
  
There are any number of examples of what happens when the black majority excludes... well, anyone at all. Without the whites/asians/indians/whatever to build and maintain the society it collapses into rampant theft, murder and destruction.  
  
Some white seperatist was being interviewed and the interviewer noted that there were black seperatists advocating for essentially the same thing. The interviewer's 'gotcha' question to the white seperatist was what is the difference between the white and black seperatists ideas. The response was: "We're serious."  
  
It makes no difference if they're sent away or "we" go away. We are maintaining the civilization while they're parasitically clinging to it.  
  
Every cultural group has a support network which helps people in that cultural group. Most of the time this isn't explicit, it's just defacto the way things work. Among American blacks that cultural support network is largely involved in supporting criminal activity, denigrating non destructive behavior and intellectual achievement. And hating any non-black people.  
  
What most white people simply refuse to understand is that, regardless of how it came to be, most black people in this country imagine they are OUTperforming all non-black people, smarter than all non-black people, and that when they're caught stealing, raping, murdering, etc. that's just "racism". And they really mean it.  
  
So, would expelling all "black people" from the country be a benefit for everyone who's not leaving? Just about has to be.  
  
No. I disagree. People are people sounds nice. But I don't think it's true or even close to true.

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saarnok · 3/19/2025, 11:51:39 AM · permalink

To illustrate what the problem with "black" cultural networking try to imagine this guy becoming a respected figure in "black" America.  
![video](https://www.youtube.com/embed/LZ5wOrpkx1Y)
  
It's just not going to happen. To "black" America he's a chump. Black Americans have been raised from the moment of birth to believe that they personally deserve literally everything in the world, that other black people built and invented everything in the world, which means that they are the natural inheritors of those fictional accomplishments.  
  
If you were to present yourself as a ptsd suffering veteran of the Anglo-Spanish war because your ancestors were English or Spanish it would be no less absurd than their claim to be suffering the trauma of slavery.  
  
More than a hundred years ago the international communist movement saw the potential to use American blacks as a wedge to destroy American society. While great men like Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington as well as others who'd naturally risen to become leaders extolled virtues which would naturally demonstrate the worthiness of the former slave population to integrate into the general American population, communists were circulating the idea that blacks were MORE than equal to the existing population and were owed whatever they could take.  
  
Until American blacks had the right to vote, most felt as if they couldn't effect this transformation, and with no other option than to work, did so. Until 1965 the black American population economically was the most rapidly improving demographic group in the country's history.  
  
Along with voting rights soon came government assistance with the Piven-Cloward strategy of adding permanent obligations for people who work to support people who don't work. Every additional obligation would bring the system closer to collapse at which point, you'd think from what Piven had to say when interviewed, magically, they'd just be able to fix the problem.  
  
America's race problem isn't really about race, or rather it didn't arise from race. It's the result of Marxists finding ways to destroy America.  
  
What almost no one understands about Marxists (communists, socialist, etc.) is that they don't consider reality, literal actual reality to be anything other than a series of definitions. And the definitions they use don't need to be consonant with each other.  
  
This is why they'll say that "race is a social construct", that there's actually no difference between races while at the same time saying that white people are bad.  
  
They'll uphold Islam and it's practices like female genital mutilation, child rape, honor murders and all the rest because they've defined them as victims while denigrating any Christian religious practices as oppressive, because they've defined them as such.  
  
They define resistance to trans ideology as genocide, yet not only won't condemn the Muslim world's slaughter and sterilization of virtually every single one of an estimated 9 million African slaves, they won't even blink at it. It's literally of no concern whatsoever because Muslims are victims by definition.  
  
Any reasonable person examining the history of Haiti would be troubled by the result of what has been falsely claimed to be a slave uprising. What followed was perhaps inevitable as the first leader, genuinely intelligent and capable with high hopes of creating a proud new nation was replaced with one concerned only with blaming others and enforcing the new mythology of oppression and revenge which resulted in the murder of first every white person, then the half breeds, then the quarter white, then the eighth white.  
  
Most people are unaware that Haiti is not an island, but only a portion of an island. And since the glorious revolution the Haitians have proven that their black population is utterly incapable of supporting themselves. The other portion of the island is the DR which strictly regulates Haitians crossing the border who have in multiple instances attempted to take over the DR.  
  
The DR is no treasure trove, but located on the same island, facing the same challenges, but unburdened by an all black population actually is a livable place.

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