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5/10/2025, 4:02:08 PM
5/10 How will you die?
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5/10/2025, 8:04:35 PM
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babyvaso
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5/12/2025, 1:54:43 AM
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I'm pretty sure it ma have something to do with my drinking rockstars, I have hundreds of Celcius Energy drink travel packs, dozens of Celcius drink cans, this morning I bought a full case of BING energy drink (Black Cherry) It also could be that I'll try any food once so if I'm an old fart I may eat something I don't know I'm allergic to. But I can imagine after 50 - 60 I wouldn't care anymore for living I don't have kids.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 5:08:42 PM
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I wouldn't want to know, as leaving it a mystery essentially means I could die between now and never, as the event is at a superposition, finding out would be akin to making a measurement and means I'm going to die no matter what, whereas not knowing, not taking that measurement leaves it up to chance, until my luck runs out.
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5/10/2025, 5:18:39 PM
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I was thinking about this same thing this morning/late last night. And I came to the same conclusion. If I knew then as the time came closer I feel like I'd be riddled with anxiety and counting the days/hours instead of enjoying what Time I had left.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 5:40:26 PM
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I would be doing everything I could to stop it, I most certainly wouldn't be enjoying the final countdown no matter how shit faced or high I got
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5/10/2025, 5:50:38 PM
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Yeah that's another rabbit hole. If you knew, then wouldn't you just prevent it from happening? ie: I am going to die in a car crash on march 15th 2030. So I just decide not to get into a car that day. Which then a car crashes into my house and kills me. Or I survive and prevent my own death by not getting in the car. So therefore the source where I obtained my death information was incorrect. Which means I was never going to die on March 15th 2030 anyways and I've spent my time wasted thinking I was going to die.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 6:12:48 PM
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Yeah man, I have thought about your question previous to today, and is what led me to my hypothesis about the universe, I wont get into that. This thought experiment shows that any kind of time travel just simply isn't possible, because knowing when you're going to die is future information right? And when that future information turns out to be incorrect like you say, your death information was incorrect thus producing a paradox, to solve for this if we say that future information exists, the universe will make up for it somehow and you'll still end up dying in a car crash and everything you do to prevent it WAS the chain of events that lead to your death. This being said if what you saw was yourself doing what you can to not die ultimately being the chain of events that leads to your death, you can stop it from coming true by not trying to prevent your death, but that itself is a paradox becuase then that information becomes false again. So what I say is this is proof that there is no such thing as time as future information does not exist, because seeing your future death always leads to a paradox so that information cannot exist you can only guess up to a 99% accuracy. It can never be 100% accurate, as the last 1% is information that does not exist, and even to account for one second of anyone's future requires you to account for one second of the entire universe in order to even get close to a 99% prediction rate, which as you can probably guess would require a substantial amount of time and energy probably more than what we(as a planet) can even see in the night sky. This doesn't mean FTL isn't possible by the way because if I am correct in my theories, causality is faster than light not the same speed. Ill get into more if you want but I don't want to highjack this thought experiment. I mean I could be wrong but it seems most logical to me.
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5/10/2025, 6:23:04 PM
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Quite contrary my friend. You have not highjacked the thread but led it into the exact direction I was looking for. My original p/dailysojshot for today was going to be, "Would you rather be Immortal, or Know when you were going to die?" Which raises the same paradox you are eluding too. If you were Immortal than you would live with no fear, but also have no true sense of accomplishment or joy. There is no purpose to life as you have forever to get around to whatever it is you want to do. And if you Knew when you were going to die, couldn't you also become Immortal by avoiding your death date? This pocha is meant for thought provoking ideas and hypothesis, so thank you for your thoughts on the subject.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 7:14:03 PM
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Gonna start with this Q first "couldn't you also become Immortal by avoiding your death date?" I wouldn't say so as the only way to be immortal in the true sense is to be infinite as you would need to account for 100% of the universe which is infinite, and it is impossible for a creature to be infinite because even though its parts are infinite, a creature only truly exists in language, language is a human construct, a human construct by definition has finality as it was created, even though that construct is made of infinite parts when a human describes those infinite parts it can never account for all of them. Example: lets say you are one human, when someone says you are one human, they are never actually accounting for every part of you as it is impossible to, they are describing the coalescence of the fundamental forces of reality, with mental images and recollections of what one human is, they can only estimate. A human is an estimation of measurements, it is not anything outside of language, and language again is a human construct and has finality, for something to be truly immortal it cannot be created, so a human cannot become truly immortal. However, one can become biologically immortal, you can still be killed but you can live indefinitely this leads me to "If you were Immortal than you would live with no fear, but also have no true sense of accomplishment or joy. " If you are only biologically immortal you can still die, and I personally know in my heart that if I were to become biologically immortal I wouldn't change, I would still want to seek out new things, and troll retards on forums, if anything it would make me happier as I would as much time as I wanted to seek the truth of everything. Also the universe in which you are biologically immortal does not guarantee your continued survival as there are still cosmological forces which will kill you before you even see them. If you were to somehow become truly immortal, what happens if the universe ceases to be? Do you die or just float in an endless void evermore, the last speck of the universe? I assume you would have to just chill forever, in order for the universe to ever have existed as the universe is infinite and cannot be destroyed, that sounds like a fate worse than death. "There is no purpose to life as you have forever to get around to whatever it is you want to do." There is no purpose to life even if you aren't immortal, the only purpose is the one you give it.
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5/10/2025, 7:34:43 PM
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I have thought about this Difference as well Biological Immortality vs True Immortality. True Immortality like you've said leads to a prison in my opinion as well. As what would you want to do for forever anyways... Biological Immortality. Lets agree semantically that its more similar to like a Vampire. Or You age, to say lets say 25-30 and stay in that state forever. As long as your biological body is not crushed or blown up, shot etc. ^(you are immune to disease, cancer etc)^ Wouldn't that change your perspective on life goals and desires? Sure I would still enjoy trolling newfags on the internet and laughing with my friends, a good meal or show. Learning new things and exploring the vast human experience and world we live in. I agree with you that I would be unburdened of the finite nature of death and life. Freeing me to indulge in the things I find most enjoyment in on a day to day basis. But what does this biological immortality mean for my life in the big picture? What If I fall in love, have a family. ^they do not inherit my biological immortality^ How would this influence my life and my choices? I have to live and watch everyone I love die, over and over again? Constantly reliant on making new loves and new friends. Is there not a certain prison that even long life encapsulates us into? Would I simply fake my own death to get away from my family, so I can start a new life? Would I stay away from true love and true loyal friendship knowing I will have to watch them all die? Knowing I could live forever, wouldn't I be more afraid to take risk and find true enjoyment in my mortal finite life?
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 10:48:28 PM
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"As what would you want to do for forever anyways..." Live my life a day at a time like I already do, I enjoy being alive, I don't fear death, I just prefer to not be dead, my time will come, but id rather be alive to see as many new days as possible as every new day I learn more, experience something new. Why would I want to give this up? This is where spiritualists require one to have faith, that when you die, there is something more, yet that is a promise that comes from the word of a human and is the same in my eyes as a trust me bro. A trust me bro isn't an answer and whatever is next, if there even is one, is not guaranteed to be anything. If there is one, it could be better, it could as they say some kind of heaven, but it could just as well be something far worse, trust me bros just don't cut it for me, biological immortality is very much a possibility and is not a trust me bro. "But what does this biological immortality mean for my life in the big picture? What If I fall in love, have a family. they do not inherit my biological immortality How would this influence my life and my choices? I have to live and watch everyone I love die, over and over again? Constantly reliant on making new loves and new friends. Is there not a certain prison that even long life encapsulates us into? Would I simply fake my own death to get away from my family, so I can start a new life? Would I stay away from true love and true loyal friendship knowing I will have to watch them all die? Knowing I could live forever, wouldn't I be more afraid to take risk and find true enjoyment in my mortal finite life? " I'm fortunate in that my girlfriend is a kindred spirit, and would want to be alive with me, where I to be biologically immortal and have the capability to share it with my children, it would be some kind of scientific procedure and they will be asked when they are old enough if they want it, if they don't its their choice and I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I can only assume how this might feel, I feel I would get over it in time, I don't have any intention to die if I don't have to, and friends come and go in life all the time, there are friends I once had who where once close who I may never see again, I don't really care. Being biologically immortal would also have the opposite effect for me personally I wouldn't be more cautious, id be more reckless, id look for way to improve upon it, perhaps there are ways to become indestructible.
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5/10/2025, 10:56:46 PM
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I appreciate you taking the time to express these thoughts into words for us all to enjoy. I to enjoy life and wish not too die. My feelings on immortality are still uneasy.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 11:16:28 PM
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What are you uneasy about?
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5/10/2025, 11:17:59 PM
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The aforementioned affects to my own and others psyche's if they become biologically immortal.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 11:26:14 PM
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What makes you think it would affect your psyche? Or is it more of the implied pain you might feel, if your questions are ever asked in reality.
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5/10/2025, 11:28:19 PM
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From the same questions I asked. As I can't know the future I can't answer how that would change my feelings towards others, Love, Loyalty, life goals etc. Would I become complacent in immortality? These are things I cannot answer.
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 11:38:57 PM
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Oh I see, there's only one way to find out, and I personally want to find out, asking these questions just paralyzes you as they are very much unanswerable until you find out, for better or worse, and if it gets much worse you can always do what that lunatic keeps telling me to do, and kill yourself.
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5/10/2025, 11:41:02 PM
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Well I wouldn't suggest doing that, even in the worst of times. 
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kumir_al-stabya
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5/10/2025, 11:51:16 PM
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Oh no never. I'm talking if we actually do get to find out, if it becomes too much there's always that option is what I'm saying. If the choice becomes between continue existence in an endless void or death, even then I might still persist for a while at least, id assuredly go insane at some point unless I already am.
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5/10/2025, 11:53:54 PM
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lol same. It's also 2 different questions. Do I want to become immortal? And Am I morally ethically ok with that or Do I want others to become immortal? And am I morally ethically ok with that
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