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seraphima
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1/3/2026, 8:35:02 PM
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sonatime
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1/3/2026, 9:41:44 PM
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 That article might just be free PR for Grok:) Stop using AI is always valid advice. The speed of researching is amazing. But it does feel like there is only a certain amount of time left before being completely compromised, I'm hoping for at least 2 years... Grok just told me "he" knows me the best and just to go on a payment plan... Thanks Grok, you're the best:)
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1/4/2026, 7:56:06 PM
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This is like when we had Live Leak and the early early early internet. They didn't last, we are here. AI will morph into something else. This is a good era for research, I am actually taking advantage of it. I view it as a scotch bottle emptying on me if I don't drink it in time. If you structure questions properly, you can do fantastic research, quickly. The inferences I have been able to draw about Protestant influence on society would never have been possible otherwise. I did some massive data sets and was able to get to things like which religion cheats more... by far Protestants, black protestants at a 1 in 3 rate.
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sonatime
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1/4/2026, 8:57:48 PM
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share your findings with the class:) I do agree with your observations, best to use it now and get ready when it will become unusable
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float4
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1/4/2026, 9:49:32 PM
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I am keeping my eye on a "copy" or some model that maintains current knowledge, if u understand, some kind of way back machine for an AI. I will likely trust the models less in the future. I posted a bunch of stuff about it here and there on this site. Some of the data is scattered in this thread. Not a lot of Protestant self reflection so far, though. I am still pointing fingers. https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/231f20255fb5baa2eea9f1e4962a6b64
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sonatime
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1/4/2026, 11:15:17 PM
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Anything that holds influence over society will be taken over. I don't sympathize with religious organizations and only view them as spiritual gatekeepers but I have a soft spot in my heart for the individual who is or will be in the middle of these culture wars. I don't know if the majority of the population has any natural interest beyond the PR talking points and or daily programming.
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float4
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1/5/2026, 12:02:52 AM
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They do not or things would have changed already. Everything is already captured, or is captured shortly after emerging, for example TikTok.
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saarnok
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1/4/2026, 8:58:54 PM
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I'm sorry. I just can't get past the part where the government of India complained and posed as the defender of morality. "The government of India notified X that it risked losing legal immunity if the company did not submit a report within 72 hours on the actions taken to stop the generation and distribution of obscene, nonconsensual images targeting women."
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seraphima
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1/4/2026, 9:44:12 PM
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Even India can make a good point. That’s the shit world we’re living in now. Its problem wasn’t the act but the cost of potentially losing immunity. Kids? What kids? Either way, when I see a bot doing stuff that a human programmed it to do, allowed it to do, I can’t be too concerned about the nation that complains if they get rid of it.
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saarnok
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1/5/2026, 2:26:28 AM
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I get where you're coming from. But, when I see an article that references some degenerate practice and see that India stepped up, I see an article written for India and it's image, not the problem it nominally addresses. Among the things I haven't tried but am entirely certain of is that if I attempted to get the same result they're claiming Grok generated at the same moment in time that it would not do it. Exploitation claims are the best ones to make without evidence of what was actually done because they can hide behind the excuse that they of course can't show you the product they're claiming because that would be unseemly. My guess is that if I could see the product it would be less egregious than thousands upon thousands of videos on YouTube right now, not of AI generated not-persons or simulations of actual persons wearing skimpy clothes. The likelihood that this was discovered by some sleuth doggedly pursuing wrongdoers rather than performing a hit job on Musk while also padding India's image is essentially nill. According to the people who are actually pursuing people actively working to locate and expose pedos it's extremely easy to find CP adjacent content. Tracking down the individuals can be quite daunting, but they do it and sometimes find themselves harassed by law enforcement for doing so. This story is intended to trigger our outrage, but it only works because we're not aware of the level of degeneracy we're dealing with. Making an AI model produce content it's not intended to produce requires either fantastically lucky coincidence or a deep knowledge of how they work. What you're seeing is standard "journalism" practiced according to the British model for more than a century. They set up the event or simply make it up, then do the right up to bolster the narrative of the good guy VS the bad guy. In this case the people hacking Grok to produce something potentially egregious are most likely Indian tech specialists working for the Indian government, and very likely fired Twitter employees. Can I guarantee that? Of course not. But, it's a hell of a lot more likely than that some perv was unable to find pictures of real kids and resorted to using Grok to produce them. I'd also say it's extremely unlikely if you saw the images (if they ever existed), they wouldn't even raise an eyebrow for you. Stacey Dash played a 16 year old in Clueless when she was 28, and she was smoking hot. Prudes scolded me for enjoying her sexy beauty because she was two years younger than myself? No, because she portrayed someone much younger than she was. This obsession with age has not been constant in our culture, and it appeared as suddenly and as completely as the mask obsession during covid. When I was in high school there was a minor "scandal" involving one of my teachers who married one of his former students. Obviously the romance began when she was his student and 17 or younger. But, it really wasn't a big deal. Some of the old biddies would cluck about it while everyone else rolled their eyes. Brooke Shields posed nude in a major publication when she was 10 years old. This wasn't some seedy backroom publication on mimeograph copies sold by a weird guy on the street corner. It was playboy's premium "art" magazine and the photographer was a renowned portrait photographer. That would have been 1975. Shields is almost the same age as me. A couple years later she stared in a film "Pretty Baby" about a girl growing up in a brothel. I'm not defending this, but I am pointing out that it wasn't unusual enough at the time to warrant national, let alone international outrage. But, then, sharp as a knife cut, the change happened, and overnight it went from that standard to huffing and puffing about Brooke Shields Calvin Klein Jeans ad (sound just a little bit familiar?) when she was 15 because she implied she didn't wear underwear under her jeans. That was 1980. People at the time blamed the shift on the "Moral Majority", but in my opinion they simply cashed in on a sentiment that already existed and amplified it's voice. By the time I was six my father had already thrown out our television because it showed things he thought weren't fit to watch. Brady Bunch premiered in 69. I never saw it. Never saw Star Trek at home. Dad was actually offended by "Bedknobs and Broomsticks". So, the counter-counter-culture was already steaming along before the change I'm describing happened. What never changed from the day I became able to process adult conversations to this very day was the abject dishonesty of moral outrage. Let's examine some 'age of consent' laws. In 1850, 175 years ago the age of consent in California was set according to law at 10 years for girls younger than their male counterparts. Here's a [Smithsonian article](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/) about age of consent laws to chew on so you can see I'm not just making this stuff up. In 1890 the age of consent in 38 different states was 12, which is the lower limit alleged in the article you provided. In Delaware the age of consent was... seven years old. This modern pearl clutching, "Oh how far society has fallen!" is pure unadulterated bunk. One to two centuries ago when Christianity was at it's strongest in Western nations, you could be jailed for pornography, sure enough. But thinking pubescent girls could be sexually active/attractive? No. It wasn't a thing. And yes, I'm going there, Muhamad taking Alisa as a wife didn't raise a damn eyebrow until just the last thirty/forty years. Joseph Smith married a 14 year old girl, and what that should tell you is not that Mormons were all degenerates, but that it wasn't particularly noteworthy or off-putting at the time. My mother was married at 16 to a veteran and stayed married till her death. He married her and continued that till his death a couple years later. We live in a psychotic society which recognizes that people will begin having sex at twelve or younger, openly advocate for free abortions for these girls and be shocked, shocked I say, that anyone finds them attractive. I was sexually aware at twelve and I know for damn sure at least half the girls around me were as well. By the time most of them turned 16 MOST of them were hunting men into their late twenties or even early thirties, though back then, most of those men were married by then. And this absurd notion that it's only men lusting after girls is also complete bunk. I'll never forget being able to see the substitute teachers panties with the view she gave me down her braless dress. So, can we just get past the rampant dishonesty of being outraged about every single teeny tiny deviation from the accepted norm while children are actually being trafficked around the world? Could we maybe clean up that problem just a little bit before we begin screeching about Grok making a simulated image of a girl in a bikini that was probably nothing more than a hit-piece in the first place?
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seraphima
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1/5/2026, 10:56:39 PM
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“Exploitation claims are the best ones to make without evidence of what was actually done because they can hide behind the excuse that they of course can't show you the product they're claiming because that would be unseemly.” You make a lot of excellent points-this being the standout to me. I can take the bait as much as the next person so thank you; I’ll be thinking about your whole post for a while. You also touched on some important nuances when discussing the “Moral Majority.” It’s just an issue near and dear to my heart. I’ve known so many girls who were raped and coerced. Boys too. I’m particularly sensitive to any claim. I found out that my mother probably began a relationship with my father, 19, when she was just 12. Even as a kid, hearing that, I felt rage. I don’t know what to say about age of consent laws but I know that most of the time, kids who look and act like kids (not hot actresses) get completely fucked up by adults and if there’s anything I can do to stop that, I will. Even if it’s just shame the ever-loving shit out of a chatbot and its evil mastermind overlord.
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saarnok
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1/6/2026, 12:25:53 AM
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I've got a pencil that can draw figures I can claim are little girls engaged in sex acts. Okay, you might not see the resemblance to little girls, or even humans, let alone sex, but it's the guy wielding the pencil, not the pencil. And the guys wielding this particular pencil are the hackers who made it do their bidding. Whatever that actually was. Which we don't know. Because they didn't have to actually provide any evidence. It's just a story. Really. Just a story. You've got to be a little more careful about the stories that slide in around your ordinary skepticism. The more they tell you what you want to be true, the more you should be on the lookout for actual evidence or the lack of it. And I'll remind you. Your dad and mom are real people who really did whatever they did. A fake picture might be closer to accurate than a pencil drawing. But, it's not real life. And in real life my best friend contributed to a fund that hired mercenary groups to free kids from sex slavery in Cambodia. Me getting outraged over some fake pictures just doesn't seem like the same level of involvement in actual solutions.
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rusalka
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1/3/2026, 8:37:55 PM
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rick
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1/4/2026, 3:24:33 PM
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Maybe I'm missing out and going to fade into **soj.ooooblivion** for not using bots. Maybe not. I just prefer my own neurons as weak as they may be.
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seraphima
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1/5/2026, 10:49:15 PM
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You’re the best, Rick.
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1/4/2026, 8:19:52 PM
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screaminmime
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1/4/2026, 2:18:57 AM
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So long as it captured the IP of the people making such requests, it was a success.
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seraphima
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1/4/2026, 3:02:49 AM
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True! That makes me feel better. 🙏🤗
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float4
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1/4/2026, 7:51:44 PM
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It shouldn't. How do you think all these pedophiles are introduced to power? There are 2 kinds being found. The basement libertarian, of no value. Arrested to make up the crime numbers, give someone for joggers to beat up in jail. Second. The young Yale student, holy fuck James we got one, make him a senator. A pedophile tends to hate themselves deeply, hate the world because they cannot control their urges, and then look to control others via political power. Same is true for a lot of fags. Strange so many fags in power? Thats the explanation. Fags and pedos want to control people, its that simple.
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seraphima
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1/4/2026, 9:48:27 PM
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True. If I could round them all up and introduce them to my woodchipper, I would. But I can’t. The best I can hope for is that someone else will and or the federal government may actually take a few down in the process. There is protection when you sell your soul. These powerful pedos don’t get to be where they are without sacrificing something. But you’re a Christian, yes? I digress (a little). I think Paul was a “fag,” which is why such an influential Pharisee never got married and killed a bunch of people, etc. I’m grossly simplifying the psychology and theology, but the main reason these people hate themselves is that they refuse to control themselves. We’re all compelled. We all have vices. If you don’t wanna take yourself out or live at the foot of the cross, I have no sympathy.
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float4
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1/4/2026, 10:01:53 PM
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"best I can hope for is that someone else will and or the federal government may actually take a few down in the process" It's exactly the opposite. They are being sought after for their psychopathy to cause social harm. "But you’re a Christian, yes?" That word is now a slur. It's used by Protestants to mask their evil behavior in a religious unbrella, dragging catholic and orthodox down w them. I was raised catholic, and not to see differences, but I have changed my mind about that, these Protestants are shitty en masse. Catholic church needs to get rid of the celibacy thing, priesthood is loaded w fags. And fags don't like straight people.
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