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12/6/2025, 8:18:10 AM
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You're right. I was more focused on the bigger question. But it also answers your question... in my opinion, no pope should be able to change the rules of the death penalty if it is established clearly by the bible. Two aspects pertaining more directly to your question. 1\. As I understand it, Jesus wasn't crucified under Torah law but under Roman law. At least technically, the charges were sedition against ceaser because of the title "king of Jews". 2\. Jesus himself never nullified the torah law. Jesus clearly said he has not come to abolish the law, but to fulfil it, which to me indicates that he wanted the fulfilment of the law in spirit and not as the weapon of lawfare, monopolized by the elites that it had become... which was the same reason previous prophets came. The idea that torah law has been anulled is from Paul only. Paul taught that Jesus said the old law would be in place till all was finished, and since his last words were "it is finished" (in John 19:30 only) it therefore meant that the old law had been fulfilled and no longer a requirement to follow. This is also the reasoning given when other popes have made changes to biblical laws. Most Christians dont read the bible so they don't question this odd, twisted logic, or the reason why Johns account of the time, date and last words at the crucifixion are very different from the accounts of time, date and last words mentioned in the earlier gospels. They also don't ponder that such a strand of logic actually means Christians dont have to follow any laws at all. So no, in my opinion Jesus did not abolish or negate the law, including the verses you cited. But by Pauls logic, there is no law to follow after Jesus. Peace 🙏 Side note: Actually, sainthood, as practiced today, is an entirely man made concept. The first canonization did not occur till 993AD for Saint Ulrich of Augsburg.
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