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Parent Post: The Bible teaches a temporary spiritual hardening of Israel
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sacredcow
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2/22/2026, 12:56:53 PM
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Yes. His choices. But then your god murders humans because of choices it made.
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sonatime
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2/22/2026, 8:10:22 PM
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Yes, the people had their choices, but the Scripture says the earth had become so corrupt that "every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Gen 6:5). Violence filled the earth (6:11), and humanity had corrupted not just themselves but "all flesh" - a phrase that includes the natural order and creatures (6:12). God’s response wasn’t arbitrary, it was judgment on a world that had turned against its own created purpose. Noah preached righteousness for roughly 120 years while building the ark (Gen 6:3, implied timeline; 2 Pet 2:5 calls him a "preacher of righteousness"). That long window was mercy, an opportunity for repentance that almost no one took. When the flood finally came, it was after prolonged warning, not sudden rage. So the picture isn’t a god who "murders humans because of choices it made," but a Creator addressing a creation that had become violently, comprehensively corrupt, after giving a 120 years to turn back. Those spirits that were judged for corrupting everything (Gen 6:4–5, the 'sons of God' and their offspring) are still around, chained in darkness, waiting for judgment (2 Pet 2:4; Jude 6). Jude 6 NIV And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 1 Peter 3:18-20 NIV For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
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