Comment on Banned on Soj.ooo (Are they afraid to compete in the marketplace of ideas?) by gracejoy

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rusalka · 12/30/2025, 6:58:17 AM · permalink

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logical · 7/28/2025, 11:42:06 PM · permalink

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gracejoy · 7/29/2025, 2:29:10 AM · permalink

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logical · 7/29/2025, 2:39:20 AM · permalink

My intention was not to rebuke you.  I don't speak for the owners, and I don't run the site.  
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"So the Torah scholar was correct: Plagiarization is "free speech," &amp; my objecting is "extreme argumentative behavior"?  "  
  
yes it is free speech, and no I don't think your pointing out the proper source of information is argumentative behavior.  
  
Personally I don't agree with much of what tikvah posts.  But it is part of the process of freedom of speech and expression.  
  
From your perspective I understand the frustration of dealing with what feels like them censoring you and denying you access to reply to something you disagree with.  
  
But it is also just words on a screen.  And as I said you are free to post about the topic and tag people in other places still.  
  
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"Where did I ask you to "take a side"? I tagged you b/c you commented on the similar page @tajudeen\_bin\_tijani linked nearby (he also linked this page to that one). To be clear, your response on that page to miru telling why the Torah scholar banned him (cursing, rejecting Talmud, etc.) was "congratulations;" &amp; to me, here (objecting to plagiarizing) a lecture that I'm "negative" &amp; "argumentative" when hearing something I "don't want to hear"?"  
  
  
  
I didn't mean to imply that you asked me to pick side, merely that I wouldn't be picking sides.  
  
Yes my previous post you are referring to is a joke that getting banned in that pocha can be seen as a badge of honor for some.  
  
"You saw @raven2feathers angry that I thought she banned me: Why didn't you tag her so she'd also know, when you told me, that "the site is still in beta, it will display correctly the moderator that banned you eventually"?"  
  
yes because what good would come from me engaging the user @raven2feathers in an argument which I am not involved or interested in at present?  
  
the "platform" is just a website, everything here is the users, it becomes what you make of it.  From what I can tell in my experience this is one of the only platforms where the ownership has no influence on what is being posted regularly and what you see.  
  
what you see is what people post.

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gracejoy · 7/29/2025, 4:44:26 AM · permalink

"*My intention was not to rebuke you*." You lectured me on free speech, as if I'd endangered it.  
  
"*I don't speak for the owners \[or\] run the site*." But you inform about formatting; &amp; when someone suggested the homepage go to "All," not "For You," you agreed; &amp; the next day it was changed.  
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Plagiarization is "*free speech*," same as lies. OTOH, while you specifically defended it (&amp; banning objections) as part of the "*process of freedom of speech &amp; expression*," you lectured me (for saying why I was banned) on how free speech is "*people saying things \[I\] don't want to hear*;" that you dislike "*negativity*," &amp; that banning is so people like Tikvah can have a "*guardrail~~s~~ to discourage extreme argumentative behaviors*."  
  
"*From your perspective I understand the frustration of dealing with what feels like them censoring you.*.." Tikvah's refusing to give a legend credit for her work is hypocritical; &amp; banning me for objecting is cowardly; but the only censorship I feel is from you, see previous paragraph.  
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"*I didn't mean to imply that you asked me to pick side, merely that I wouldn't be..*." I didn't ask, so there was no reason for you to refuse, as if I had. Like the rest, why say it all to me if it's not about me?  
  
"*my previous post . is a joke.*.." And the one to me is a lecture on free speech &amp; not being "*negative*" &amp; "*argumentative*."  
  
".*..what good would come from me engaging the user @raven2feathers in an argument*..." What good was to come from telling me that soji will *eventually* tell me what moderator banned me? It may have brought peace if you told her, since she voiced anger that I thought it was her. Even if not, it wouldn't have "*engaged in an argument.*"  
  
"*the* '*platform*' *is just a website, everything here is the users ... the ownership has no influence . what you see is what people post*." How do sites like this make money? The owners don't find it worthwhile to post on it: Not even [https://soj.ooo/p/dailysojshot](https://soj.ooo/p/dailysojshot) is attended.  I've been attacked here b/c Jesus; told I can't object to porn; &amp; now lectured  on "free speech" b/c I told, under a post about being banned, why I was banned: I have more freedom on the Israeli sites, frankly, where Tikvahs are a dime a dozen.

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logical · 7/29/2025, 4:48:07 AM · permalink

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