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4/8/2025, 4:34:33 PM
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tenguhunter
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4/9/2025, 2:38:00 PM
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I only used email for business. Online orders or my personal business. I'm half retired and hardly use email at all. I just use the VPN part online when I'm looking around.
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tenguhunter
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4/8/2025, 5:40:46 PM
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https://protonvpn.com/pricing I've had it for years
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imfromthestars
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4/8/2025, 10:21:59 PM
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Some of you folk really need to do your homework with some of these email apps out there. Sorry to say. The best form of email is no email. Use a messenger app instead.
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matt
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4/8/2025, 10:34:36 PM
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They have the ability to save, track and give up data if compelled to do so. the only way to prevent this is to create a system that never collects personal data to begin with. (we're working on it) [Proton compliance report](https://proton.me/legal/transparency) 
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mrs_cms
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4/9/2025, 12:16:27 AM
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Thanks, Matt. I am happy to wait for your offerings.
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logical
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4/8/2025, 6:19:29 PM
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https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/68b51bfbcb23aaaa137de4fe7f12ef3f Have heard opinions on both sides for proton. Smells fishy imo. For regular people just looking to get outside of like gmail it's probably a decent option. Don't know enough to give any advice, other than the usual look up who owns who and what and where. Lot's of people in the tech world seem to have no problems with proton though. All depends what level of privacy you're comfortable with. I will note proton does make you use a 2 Factor Authentication to sign up or use the services. On the largest investors website the Proton Description has a typo, none of the other ones seem too. https://www.fongit.ch/our-startups?tag=undefined 
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logical
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4/8/2025, 6:47:08 PM
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probably just a p/fatfingered 😂
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4/8/2025, 7:03:29 PM
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Proton is great. Keep in mind that e-mail, while its selling points for 'encrypted' mean absolutely nothing if an end-point like GMAIL, or other providers don't have DKIM/any encryption. Proton uses DKIM encryption. The issue is, e-mails still get stored on servers, sent to other people somefriend@gmail.com somefriend@aol.com and sit there in plain text. You'll get a suite of tools, but unless you pay for proton, which is cheap; you won't get e-mail filters. So, you can't block e-mails or filter out spam/key words etc. Hosting your own e-mail is terrible. It's near impossible to not be blacklisted/put in spam mail, so having a provider is the go-to; if you host with proton, you don't get POP/IMAP access;you're forced to use their webmail; which isn't bad, or their web relays to make POP/IMAP work. Their VPNs are decent, and come with desktop windows mac and linux and mobile VPN clients with plenty of servers; but their free version if you try anything like bittorrent or other things it will web-jack you as in when you visit a website it will HALT! YOU'RE TRYING TO USE BITTORRENT! PLEASE PAY FOR THE SERVICE! Which means 1) They monitor stuff. and 2) They can straight up inject packets in to your data which means 3) If they can do that, even though its for the free tier, it's kind of sketch but that's basic 'Have control over your network' level stuff.. just, kind of odd. So all in all, the selling points of privacy aren't really there. Full Privacy is not really a thing in today's age and we just have to come to terms and accept that, but for what the products are, it offers a far better privacy focused, non-US based, and data-protection EULA for customers than GMAIL. You get Calendar, vPN, Mail. You can easily host your own domains. Buy a domain and host your own e-mail, whatever@whatever.com I just forward my@domain.com to my @proton.me e-mail address and call it a day. I'd say its worth the buy.
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4/8/2025, 8:10:15 PM
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Good points. Which is why I've steered clear of them for years. From an OPSEC point of view, their toolset is like a collection of a hodge podge of ideas. No thanks.
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