Comment on If the power goes out and gas becomes unavailable you have 3 Days. What's your plan?? by wfgopack

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wfgopack · 6/27/2025, 4:04:01 AM · permalink

Strange questions but I'll do my best. Fascism is operated by the rich. Big business bosses and the political class are the one percenters as they tend to be called. They are the people who have inherited their position in life mostly and come from the same falilies and social groups. Look at groups like the bilderburgers and the cfr, freemasonry. All the same or overlapping and they run business and the government primarily using a trickle down bribery system.    
Referring to the Civil War I think many would agree that if states rights were nearly as strong as the Constitution implies, they would be free to separate from a union they considered unjust just to start off. Going to war with and killing Americans is about as unConstitutional as it gets.  
Not sure what you are referring to with WW2. As I said there is no one point where the constitution was broken, I said it may have even been from the beginning. There are numerous examples pre911, but ignoring the US Constitution and the will of the people was kicked into overdrive that day.   
And I have had little dealings with police since I came to the state of Puebla. I have mostly seen police directing traffic here. Every government has some corruption as that is the nature of government, so I can easily admit there will be some corruption here as there is everywhere. You will find corruption among tribal leaders and among any leadership type because individuals are simply very corruptable. But I'm saying the system of paying cops on site is a much better system. I call it fair and just instead of corrupt. A great improvement from having roaming tax collector bureaucrats on the streets, with a license to commit violence as the choose.   
My point is a broad one and much less specific. That being that people here have a much higher standard of freedom and much less government interference. Since I have lived in Mexico much that previously caused me stress has been lessened greatly and I find life to be more old fashioned and better for common people.

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hyokkim · 6/27/2025, 5:55:00 AM · permalink

''Strange questions but I'll do my best. Fascism is operated by the rich. Big business bosses and the political class are the one percenters as they tend to be called. They are the people who have inherited their position in life mostly and come from the same falilies and social groups. Look at groups like the bilderburgers and the cfr, freemasonry. All the same or overlapping and they run business and the government primarily using a trickle down bribery system.''  
  
No, that is not fascism, but plutocracy.   Fascism is an enemy of plutocracy.  
  
''Referring to the Civil War I think many would agree that if states rights were nearly as strong as the Constitution implies, they would be free to separate from a union they considered unjust just to start off. Going to war with and killing Americans is about as unConstitutional as it gets.''  
  
I do agree on that point.  However Constitution was flawed to begin with; why allow slavery, when all men are created equal?  
  
''Not sure what you are referring to with WW2. As I said there is no one point where the constitution was broken''  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066  
  
''There are numerous examples pre911, but ignoring the US Constitution and the will of the people was kicked into overdrive that day.''  
  
Then you are ignoring the case when the will of the people, and U.S. Constitution clash: Aforementioned Executive order 9066  
  
''And I have had little dealings with police since I came to the state of Puebla. I have mostly seen police directing traffic here. Every government has some corruption as that is the nature of government, so I can easily admit there will be some corruption here as there is everywhere. You will find corruption among tribal leaders and among any leadership type because individuals are simply very corruptable. But I'm saying the system of paying cops on site is a much better system. I call it fair and just instead of corrupt.''  
  
Dude, you are engaging in sophistry; if average cops are that much corrupt, then how much more corrupt those who are above average cops?  
  
''A great improvement from having roaming tax collector bureaucrats on the streets, with a license to commit violence as the choose.   My point is a broad one and much less specific. That being that people here have a much higher standard of freedom and much less government interference. Since I have lived in Mexico much that previously caused me stress has been lessened greatly and I find life to be more old fashioned and better for common people.''  
  
https://insightcrime.org/news/brief/suspension-entire-local-police-force-shows-depth-mexico-corruption/

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wfgopack · 6/27/2025, 3:50:20 PM · permalink

Good morning. We'll have to disagree about some of these things and that's ok.   
When it comes to Fascism and Plutocracy, how do you think the rich want to run things?? They use their companies to make money directly and they use the government to make money indirectly and to protect their companies. If you control both, one hand washes the other. They make laws that help their companies and hand themselves those huge and bloated government contracts. These people bounce back and forth from the public sector to the private and entrust family members and partners on ther other side to share info and make only decisions that are to the advantage of both. Sorry, but you are just wrong about the two ideologies being at odds. The former USA is very much both of these things in addition to the other names I mentioned that you can call this conglomeration. And I dont care who or what article says differently.   
Slavery is one of the things I was referring to when I said the Constitution could use a few changes in order to allow and protect a totally free society. And In no way do I imply that it is a small thing, just something easily fixed with better wording.  
And I agree totally about the internment of the Japanese in WW2. Unconstitutional and morally wrong. But has little relation to the corruption and criminality of 911. Different crimes committed by the same group of people and both working to reach their goals that exist in spite of the public.  
And finally about the Mexican cops. It's not corruption in my opinion. It is the system, the state controlled media just wants it seen in a poor light and they work hard to have that effect, as they do with everything concerning Mexico. I mentioned why this system is better in almost every way, but I'll explain a little further on it. Think of it as a tipped customer service worker. Its built into the pay structure and is what pays the bills for the street patrol and makes the city budget work. It is very standardized and it works well, a tremendous improvement versus the alternative. It avoids the gross and corrupt bureaucratic mess that is the American justice system where many people from top down expect to be paid their cut. Just 10 dollars to the cop is honest and decent. It allows these human beings to make decisions based upon what they personally witness and interpret as opposed to a generalized government shakedown.   
Finding state controlled media articles will not change the truth I have observed personally and experienced. And again, there will always be examples of corruption everywhere.  
One of the most important goals of the US intel operated media is to make Mexico seem like an undesirable place. This is due to the close proximity of it to their enslaved cattle. The people who they consider cattle are a critical commodity that must be kept in check. And this is much more of a mental slavery than physical. If the general population understood they could just walk across a border into a truly free country, and one with a much more humane standard of living, many would do so. That is something that the establishment that owns and operates the former USA will not allow. This is one of the strongest and most important focus points of their propaganda machine. It also helps them put blame for the US intel managed black market onto a scapegoat. The media they own and operate makes that believable and drives the point home for the public 24/7.  
Thanks again for your time. I disagree but appreciate the conversation about such important topics.

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hyokkim · 6/27/2025, 4:07:19 PM · permalink

''We'll have to disagree about some of these things and that's ok.

When it comes to Fascism and Plutocracy, how do you think the rich want to run things?? They use their companies to make money directly and they use the government to make money indirectly and to protect their companies. If you control both, one hand washes the other. They make laws that help their companies and hand themselves those huge and bloated government contracts. These people bounce back and forth from the public sector to the private and entrust family members and partners on ther other side to share info and make only decisions that are to the advantage of both. Sorry, but you are just wrong about the two ideologies being at odds. The former USA is very much both of these things in addition to the other names I mentioned that you can call this conglomeration. And I dont care who or what article says differently.''  
  
That's not fascism, but plutocracy.   In fascism, riches do not control the government; government controls them.  Under fascism, it's OTNI.   Rich work for the government, not the other way around.  
  
''Slavery is one of the things I was referring to when I said the Constitution could use a few changes in order to allow and protect a totally free society. And In no way do I imply that it is a small thing, just something easily fixed with better wording.''  
  
It was not that simple at the time; The South would not have supported the independence.  
  
''And I agree totally about the internment of the Japanese in WW2. Unconstitutional and morally wrong. But has little relation to the corruption and criminality of 911. Different crimes committed by the same group of people and both working to reach their goals that exist in spite of the public.''  
  
No, it is far more significant, since it was supported by the public, even when FBI disagreed with it.    American public demanded it!  
  
''And finally about the Mexican cops. It's not corruption in my opinion. It is the system, the state controlled media just wants it seen in a poor light and they work hard to have that effect, as they do with everything concerning Mexico. I mentioned why this system is better in almost every way, but I'll explain a little further on it. Think of it as a tipped customer service worker. Its built into the pay structure and is what pays the bills for the street patrol and makes the city budget work. It is very standardized and it works well, a tremendous improvement versus the alternative. It avoids the gross and corrupt bureaucratic mess that is the American justice system where many people from top down expect to be paid their cut. Just 10 dollars to the cop is honest and decent. It allows these human beings to make decisions based upon what they personally witness and interpret as opposed to a generalized government shakedown.

Finding state controlled media articles will not change the truth I have observed personally and experienced. And again, there will always be examples of corruption everywhere.

One of the most important goals of the US intel operated media is to make Mexico seem like an undesirable place. This is due to the close proximity of it to their enslaved cattle. The people who they consider cattle are a critical commodity that must be kept in check. And this is much more of a mental slavery than physical. If the general population understood they could just walk across a border into a truly free country, and one with a much more humane standard of living, many would do so. That is something that the establishment that owns and operates the former USA will not allow. This is one of the strongest and most important focus points of their propaganda machine. It also helps them put blame for the US intel managed black market onto a scapegoat. The media they own and operate makes that believable and drives the point home for the public 24/7.''  
  
Dude, you are engaging in sophistry.  
  
https://theowp.org/police-brutality-and-corruption-growing-in-mexico/

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