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saarnok · 5/23/2026, 5:15:19 AM · permalink

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sonatime · 5/23/2026, 7:38:23 AM · permalink

I was trying to speed through some points and explain why I think the Book of Enoch is worth referencing for context.  
  
The translation I quoted is the same R.H. Charles version from the Gutenberg link you posted.  
  
I mostly use the NIV and ESV.  
  
Genesis 6:1-4 is quite clear: “the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.” This strongly implies lust and sexual immorality. Enoch simply expands on what Genesis already suggests.  
  
Jude 6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4-6 also directly reference angels who “abandoned their proper dwelling” and sinned sexually, comparing their actions to Sodom and Gomorrah.  
  
You accuse me of eisegesis, yet you immediately offer your own highly speculative theory that the “sons of God” were humans mating with Neanderthals or Denisovans. There is zero textual or historical support in Genesis for that idea.  
  
Full verses:  
  
Jude 6-7 (NIV)  
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.  In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.  
  
Verse 6 speaks of angels who left their proper domain and are now imprisoned — widely understood as the fallen angels who sinned sexually with human women.  
Verse 7 compares their sin to Sodom and Gomorrah’s sexual immorality and perversion.  
  
2 Peter 2:4-6 (NIV)  
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly...

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