Comment on India Pakistan by morpheus33

Parent Post: India Pakistan

morpheus33 · 5/29/2025, 10:12:25 AM · permalink

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hyokkim · 6/3/2025, 12:56:22 PM · permalink

''I have a China thread that is a little lop sided because like many posts that grow I learn as I go.''  
  
That's the right attitude; too many people become prisoners/slaves/bitches/soy boys of their own post at one time, emotionally attached, and try to defend their one time post based on outdated/obsolete information, deluding themselves that makes them manly, instead of being an oink headed loser.  
  
''I do not have the base of knowledge maybe sometimes a little. Would you mind enlightening me there a little? I can probably make it bloom.''  
  
As delusional as Indians can be (Yes, I am aware.  I know about their delusion of grandeur in 'Made in India' weapons program.)   At the same time, they can be utterly realistic when they see truly outstanding performance by others, unlike the Chinese.   
  
Their conversion to K9 is an example, and them following the ROK engineers in manufacturing K9 components they can manufacture in India.   Of course, ROK engineers were very scrupulous and professional about what Indians can accomplish.   Indians are actually very smart; their problem is the discrepancy between how smart they think they are, and how actually they are smart.   
  
Unlike many Han Chinese, and some Jews, they don't think others are dumber than they really are.    So they don't underestimate others as much as many Han Chinese, and some Jews do.   What they pretend in public, and what they really think in private, behind the scenes are different matters, unlike many Han Chinese and some Jews.  
  
Their MIC problem lies in the greed based on parochial interest, not what they pretend in public; they are not delusional in that regard, unlike China.   They know they have a problem, and what the problem is, they just don't want to acknowledge it in public.   Chinese MIC is just as afflicted with parochial interest based corruption as India, but they really think they are as good as they pretend they are in public.     
  
Now why I had said Chinese MIC is not as bad as Indian MIC is based on the fact that once Chinese wake up from their delusion, they actually try to do something about it, whereas Indians will keep doing the same thing as long as they think they can milk it, kinda like American MIC.   Now why I had said U.S. MIC is not as bad as PRC MIC; at least U.S. MIC delivers products that would be very nice when they work.  
  
PRC doesn't even deliver the products that work per their spec even when they work.   
  
F-35 are available on demand, in real time 25% of the time; PRC fighter jets 10%.    ROK FA-50, 90%  ROK is aiming for KF-21 to be at least 80%.    
  
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2024/02/07/heres-why-chinas-chengdu-j-10c-vigorous-dragon-worse-than-you-think/#google_vignette  
  
Indians don't have the internal problems of PRC:  
  
https://allthatsinteresting.com/chinese-ghost-cities  
  
This has been the biggest waste of tax payer funds in modern history unprecedented.   Their 'contribution' to PRC GDP amounted to at least 25%, not accounting for the opportunity cost lost.   If one accounted for the opportunity cost lost, that could be as much as 50% of PRC GDP was an illusion.   No matter how delusional the Indians, they didn't do anything like, not even close.   Chinese take the cake on this one.  
  
This created a huge potential blackmail/extortion by the enemy.   If India/U.S. wanted to sink PRC, all they have to do is just threaten to lob non-WMD missiles on the ghost cities.  This will make the 'investment' in those ghost cities worthless overnight.  Many billionaires/millionaires will become beggars overnight.   The entire PRC 'middle class' will join the poor house overnight.    PRC people 'middle class' and above have been using their 'investment' in ghost cities as their financial safety net.   CCP will have to bail them out or else.   If CCP bail them out, it will create hyperinflation and will sink PRC economy, without the economy PLA will not be able to continue the war.  If CCP refuse to bail them out, then it will turn the entire population against CCP.  CCP will lose all their credibility; Chinese are not stupid enough to fight for CCP that threw the entire population under the bus, for temporary glory/bragging rights of economic advancement/progress.    
  
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2024/02/07/heres-why-chinas-chengdu-j-10c-vigorous-dragon-worse-than-you-think/#google_vignette  
  
This is actually a very good article; one thing it doesn't mention but what I find out from ROK military channel is that Russians have been fully aware Chinese illegally copying their technology, so they had designed a counter; whatever the official blue print of their technology that is more or less easily hackable to PRC, it intentionally had included a false suboptimal design perimeter, so that anyone stealing the design will make an engine, but far inferior both in performance, and reliability than the original Russian design.   
  
The article also mentions the importance ROK has played in electronic design for the Russian military; why Putin allowed ROK access to S-400 technology in return for ROK contribution in electronic chip design to Russia.   Do you remember many times the western media falsely claimed Russia would be out of missiles, because they cannot manufacture electronic chips?   Btw.  ROK is the only country Putin allowed access to Russian technology, much less S-400!  
  
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/s-400-coming-to-seoul-how-south-korea-indirectly-acquires-cutting-edge-russian-air-defences  
  
See another proof Matt is wrong: ROK is not a vassal state.     
  
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/km_sam_overtakes_russian_s_400_in_middle_east_iraq_chooses_korean_air_defense_system-10722.html  
  
You can just google, ''russia is running out of missiles due to the lack of electronic chips', and find multiple links across time, from different sources that Russia is running out of missiles due to the lack of electronic chips!

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