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braven
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10/29/2026, 7:11:55 PM
"Europe Died in Auschwitz"
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braven
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10/29/2026, 7:12:51 PM
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This is a copy from the original post: The level of dishonesty, gaslighting, and propaganda in this post...is staggering. The bigotry is unhinged. Of course, it could be the 'lost in translation' aspect...but still. "If our Judeo-Christian heritage offends Muslims, they should pack up and move to Iran, Iraq, or another Muslim country." If 'our'....who is 'our'? Who are you talking for when you say....our? Do you mean American? Western? Who....specifically. :) Why would you or anyone assume that it only offends Muslims? The bigotry in this....wow....not sure it could be more glaring than it is...impressive for sure. \*Judeo-Christian Heritage....\*the gaslighting runs deep with this one. No doubt you can delete this post, and ban me...all good. Just calling out the nonsense. Peace.😇
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braven
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10/29/2026, 7:16:27 PM
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Tikvah replied this: "no I won't delete or ban, it shows one's level of understanding and or ignorance and, honestly, it doesn't matter too much any longer for those who are against Israel and those who don't align themselves with her, the nay sayers, whatever you want to call them, anti semites... the lines have been drawn and The God of Israel, YHVH is the One Who will wreak havoc on those who come against Israel and the ones that attach themselves to her. There's no more 'in between'... either one is on the side of Israel or not. And when all is said and done, ALL of the nations will be under the authority of The God of Israel and Israel where the headquarters of all will be. Think and meditate deeply on that, hopefully you will wake up." This is not a veiled thread...it is a threat. It slanders those who disagrees and then threatens. This is the kind of poster Tikvah is. What say the rest of you? Odd stuff. Peace.😇
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dickie
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10/30/2026, 8:11:32 AM
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One of the most disturbing aspects of unconditional religious support for Israel is how easily it can become a justification for genocide. When you convince yourself that Israel is acting on God's behalf, that opposing Israel means opposing God, and that God's enemies deserve punishment, you have created a belief system in which even the most horrific atrocities can become righteous acts. Mass killing is no longer necessarily a crime. It can be interpreted as divine justice. The victims are no longer necessarily innocent civilians. They become enemies of God. And suddenly, morality isn't determined by what someone does, but by who does it. I find that particularly disturbing coming from people who emphasize the importance of Holocaust remembrance. If the lesson of the Holocaust was that genocide is wrong, then genocide must be wrong regardless of who commits it or who the victims are. Otherwise, what exactly was the lesson? Apparently, for some people, the problem isn't genocide. It's genocide committed by the wrong people.
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saarnok
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10/30/2026, 12:18:34 AM
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I agree it is a threat, but from my experience with various Jewish believers, they don't actually mean it to be a threat as such. I also agree with the beginning part of the post, that Europe died in Auschwitz, where Auschwitz is the stand in for all of holocaustism. Ironically, it's message resonates entirely with those who accuse "The Jews" of manipulating history in order to justify the present invasion of The West by the third world. "If our Judeo-Christian heritage offends..." I'd change that to; "If our Western heritage offends...", and yes, I'd absolutely apply it to Muslims, Jews, Ethiopians, Californians, etc. who I'd advise to move to wherever they feel their values are ascendant. And if I had the power, they'd be forcefully removed to those locales. There are however unfortunate tags that you've included with as one expects no explanation, because those tags aren't expected to be demonstrated, but only feared in exactly the way "antisemitism" is feared as a tag. Again with the irony. Bigotry, gas lighting, propaganda? Okay? Such as...? We're not so extremely different in our upbringing, you and I. Until I was... I don't know, maybe thirty, I never thought one thing about "Jews", couldn't identify a Jewish name and was no more concerned about "The Holocaust" than I was with any other historical narrative. Back then I thought "we" were pretty much all the same, and it's been a long, hard, and bumpy road learning that I was wrong. The hardest lesson I had to learn was that "the pose" is more important to most people than I ever would imagine it could be. Genuinely more important than survival in many cases. "The Pose" is identity. Identity is life itself. "The Pose" I grew up with was Christian 'fundamentalism' of a degree you couldn't even imagine. But to put it in perspective, I actually watched my brother die to maintain that pose. I held my fathers dying body in my arms as he died maintaining that pose. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Islam is a pose. A pose is an identity. Identity is more important than breathing. Islam from our perspective can be summarized as "death to the West". We can absorb the damage from a lone nut now and then to accommodate an overwhelming majority of Muslims who not only don't take their identity to that level, but who also actively condemn that level of commitment to the pose. Problem is, it's not just a nut now and then, here and there who go off the deep end. Baseline Islam IS the deep end! Regardless of the extremes which are detailed only partly in "God is not great" by Hitchens, the basic impetus of Christians is to PREACH while the basic impetus of Muslims is to PUNISH for failing to adhere to their faith. It's not that Islam can become extreme, it's that Islam is inherently extreme. The invocation of "bigotry" is nothing more than a whiplash against people who are not bigoted. It means nothing to those who are. This is the Jewish conundrum. To make themselves acceptable as strangers in a strange land, they have not, as the Amish have, made themselves a community distinct from the general population, but rather made themselves out to be superior to the general population. Jews are radically over-represented within the population as regards to lawmakers, bankers, oligarchs, etc. while claiming to be an oppressed minority. Meanwhile the Amish are radically under-represented in exactly the same manner while actually being an oppressed minority. To cut short what promises to be an epic rant: Yes. Expel all Muslims. ALL of them! And expel all Jews, Italians, Moroccans, etc. at the same time. You're Canadian. I'm American. There should be no foreign born people above our own, ever.
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braven
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10/30/2026, 1:54:15 AM
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Hello Saarnok, Thank you for this reply. The depth of your reply....what to say....impressive to say the least. Much to reflect on. Appreciate your expansion of the language....The Pose. This is powerful. Something like this....I might be able to express that better, but not easily. Misquoted but close. The gift of articulating grammatical forms to generate new concepts...and what seem like insightful overlays....The Pose....epic title for a book. I don't want to make light of the pain involved in learning about this pattern to the depth that you have...to have and then to articulate with grammatical precision. Philosophize with a hammer....someone else was known to do this....good company. Could there be a Pose that represents a path forward? Or is this a negative archetype from one aspect to another? For now....thank you again for the reply. Greatly appreciated. Peace.😇
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dickie
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10/30/2026, 1:07:29 AM
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That's just how jews think. More like Europe died with Hitler. Hitler lost, and Germany eventually went in a very different direction. Decades later, mass immigration has transformed the country, and questioning that transformation is often treated as morally suspect. I think a nation has the right to preserve its culture, control its borders and expect newcomers to assimilate. The lesson I took from the Holocaust was that persecution and genocide are wrong. I didn't learn that countries must surrender control over their national character. Those are two very different things. If Hitler won we probably wouldn't have have this issue in Europe.
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