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q2025 · 11/1/2025, 5:03:14 AM · permalink

You're welcome to [Fact Check](https://x.com/i/grok/share/bbEWpjbf3JkxlpNCQORhmn8Fx) 🙏  
  
Punishment for homosexuality is death in Old Testament (Leviticus

20:13), which Jesus never disowned ("I came to fulfill the law" Matthew 5:17), but Paul disowned.

No punishment in Quran (which muslims believe is the literal word of God). There is a Punishment in one Hadith, which are a collection of quotations of Muhammad, but..  
1\. Hadith do not carry same weight as Quran  
2\. Muslims consider Quran 100% authentic whereas hadith are considered 90-95% authentic... (human effort, therefore open to errors, as opposed to Quran being divine text so free from error )  
3\. The hadith (quote) in question, about punishment is found in one book of quotations and not others, so its authenticity is questionable.  
4  Even in the hadith the punishment is not specified to be for homosexuality but for "actions of the people of Lot". Scholars differ over the interpretation of the actions of the people of Lot. Simple view is that it refers to homosexuality. A more intellectual view is that the actions that warranted the punishment of Sodom were not homosexuality itself, but the attempt to rape visitors to the town and/or the public enforcement and imposition of immorality.  
  
Theres an easily provable nuance in the Quran that even most "cultural" muslims don't understand, but I'm sure you will...  
  
So for example... the punishment for extramarital sex... yes, its there, BUT, only if there are 4 witnesses or a confession. And even if those nearly impossible conditions are met, if the culprits repent and say sorry, thats the end of the matter. No more punishment. Nothing.  
  
[4:16](https://quran.com/an-nisa/16) - And the two among you who commit this sin—discipline them. If they repent and mend their ways, relieve them. Surely Allah is ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful.

So in essence, its saying that yes, homosexuality, like extra marital sex, is a sin, but if you are going to do it, keep it private. Dont flaunt it publicly, which is the only way to have 4 witnesses. And dont take pride in it, if you get caught, apologize and be on your way.   
  
But muslim fundos and muslim haters will both hide this part of the text.   
  
peace upon you buddy🙏

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q2025 · 11/1/2025, 5:47:47 PM · permalink

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims \[in submission\] to Him."

So ill try to answer your points one by one.  
  
1\. Yes, there are sheep and donkey fuckers in muslim countries. Im sure you know theres also many in Christian countries. The Welsh, Aussies, Argentines, Colombians and hillbillys all habe jokes on them. If you think objectively, its more of a rural stereotype, thought some urban folks are also depraved. As for lady boys, Im sure you know where LGBTQ is best known and practiced.   
  
2\. Fulfill the Law...

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."  
  
The meaning is quite clear that reads this passage by itself. Im aware of the intellectual gymnastics that Paul went through to convince everyone that it actually means the opposite because John 19:13 says Jesus said its Finished, and that somehow means everything is accomplished. But do you not find it odd that only John 19:13 has this version whereas Mark, Mathew and Luke have a different version?

3\. I never said Muhammad's quotes are irrelevant. I said that muslims recognize that there is a small chance of error in the hadith collections, as there is in any human endeavor.  
  
A 99% accuracy doesnt mean that we completely ignore them since the quotes contain many solid guidelines and guidance. It simply means there is a slight chance of error and that particular quote sjould be ignored if it conflicts with the message and spirirt of the Quran.  
  
I think that is a realistic approach but you find it to be a fatal flaw. We can agree to disagree on it.  
  
4\. Again, I never said its ok to do it in private. I said there is nuanced tolerance. Thats a fact and its not wishy washy. Did jesus say "prostitution is ok and legit from now on" or did he say "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." Was jesus being "wishy washy" or was he showing the same nuanced tolerance?  
  
Peace 🙏

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hunter · 11/1/2025, 6:03:04 PM · permalink

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q2025 · 11/2/2025, 2:15:45 AM · permalink

You do realize that ive read the Bible far more than you've read the Quran? And still do?  
  
The Bible is where I learnt Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David and Jesus all spoke about worshipping the one true God? And never mentioned God having 3 co-equal parts or a son?  
  
The Bible is where I learnt that Jesus never said he was God and it can be only inferred through a particular set of interpretations?  
  
The Bible is where I learnt that there isn't a single verse that talks about trinity and its only inferred through a collection of varied verses? And that's the trinity verse used to justify the trinity was not in the oldest copies of the Bible, was added 15 centuries later and then removed in modern bibles?  
  
Its the Bible that taught me there isn't a single verse that explicitly says the Holy Spirirt is God and it has to be interpreted.  
  
Its the Bible that says Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Ezekiel, Elijah and Jesus all prayed with their faces on the ground to worship God and pray for forgiveness or blessings.  
  
It's the Bible where Jesus says "Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God", "The father is greater than I" and "Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you".  
  
And to me it doesn't make sense that Jesus would have to leave for the Holy Spirit to come if the Holy Ghost was also God. Why would one god have to leave for the other to come? Especially when all three are equal in every way. I'm sure it makes sense to you and fits your belief and I commend that, but I choose the interpretation which makes more sense to me. Which is that there is only one God, without parts and roles and time frames.

Regardless, there's no sin on having different views and interpretations of the same or similar texts. Thats exactly the reason there are so many good souls in every religion, sect and denomination, even amongst Christians, many of whom were ebionites or unitarian in nature, until the council of Nicea in 325ce.   
  
Wish you the best. peace 🙏

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