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Parent Post: The Vasectomy Side Effect 90 % of Urologists Won’t Mention in the Consult Room
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sonatime
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12/12/2025, 9:34:15 AM
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Not a topic one could begin to exhaust:) Philosophically: Vasectomy feels like a permanent opt-out from the risk/reward of fatherhood, existential avoidance and probably not a classical purpose imagined for manhood. Biblically: God commands to be fruitful but being celibate is also a valid choice so the idea of vasectomy should not be a sin, however, if the procedure is an intentional mutilation of a healthy organ, then the scriptures are clearly against it. “You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your bodies.” Why: I can imagine a vasectomy being seen as a practical choice for an established family without want/need for more kids. Otherwise, it circumvents the natural order for hedonistic pleasure. Still, that is one’s identity and invites possible future regret. Legally: The West is setup and engineered for gender wars, MeToo, SA claims, men get zero veto over abortion or adoption while being on the hook for 18+ years of child support, even in paternity fraud cases. Accountability: Men pay financially and emotionally with minimal rights once conception occurs. The system produces failing societal results while incentivizes divorce, single parent homes, demographic collapse. Most of the laws and incentives in the West produce or create conflict and this chaos will only further clash with the incoming Sharia’s patriarchal order. “One erodes freedom through endless litigation; the other through rigid control” Neither feels like the true God’s design. Maranatha
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braven
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12/12/2025, 5:57:34 PM
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" *“You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your bodies*.” This is a troublesome message...no? I had an outlook to discuss the quality of the type of 'man' who would get this operation....wasn't too concerned with the 'sin' valuation or of God's interest in the matter. That being said....I can see a pattern for this as well...well done. Perhaps this would be a good quote to use when demonstrating the 'slave' mentality built into the God gaslighting paradigm....maybe? However, it is interesting advice.....has one wonder about value and price? In this context, ...honor....and not only honor...but honor God. What honor is there in manhood? Those still with a hood? This stuff is brutal....look for the humor? You are making excellent observations.....I agree with most all of it. Maybe we could also discuss the relationship between this practice and the practice of feminism? For example....the highest rate of vasectomy in Canada was Ontario....and Ontario is also home to the highest number of men who 'identify' as feminist. Odd that? Seems to match the 'type' of man who got vaccinated as well....seems to be a pattern here...yes/no? As you have stated...this topic is endless. Maranatha
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sonatime
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12/14/2025, 2:11:53 AM
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*" “You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your bodies.”* *This is a troublesome message...no?* I think this message describes the current moment in Christianity and it is based on the faith offered through the Bible and of the free will in a fallen state. It is purely voluntary to accept. "For many are called, but few are chosen" *I had an outlook to discuss the quality of the type of 'man' who would get this operation....wasn't too concerned with the 'sin' valuation or of God's interest in the matter. That being said....I can see a pattern for this as well...well done.* I added in the Biblical angle since everything is also a learning curve with me and a chance to see something of the bible that you might not been exposed to. I feel correct as I understand it, while the individual judgement is up to God. I think most people can get misled into a vasectomy because of the initial lifestyle convenience and lack of proper disclosure and or guarantee/responsibility etc. The state of modern medicine to a large degree is a dishonest practice. *Perhaps this would be a good quote to use when demonstrating the 'slave' mentality built into the God gaslighting paradigm....maybe?* *However, it is interesting advice.....has one wonder about value and price?* The value and price should be considered "undeserved". God doesn't need us but there also one thing that is impossible for God to be untrue. "nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything." Redemption is offered freely because He chose to love and cannot break His word. Biblical Christianity would teach that the unbeliever sins as a slave; the believer need not sin as a freed person, though the flesh still fights and must be resisted daily... "The flesh (sinful nature) fully reigns; they live according to its desires without spiritual life to oppose it" (Ephesians 2:1-3) *In this context, ...honor....and not only honor...but honor God.* *What honor is there in manhood? Those still with a hood?* *This stuff is brutal....look for the humor?* Brutal or not it is what is real to us. Maybe the play on words is not completely clear to me. True honor comes from glorifying God and not self. *You are making excellent observations.....I agree with most all of it.* *Maybe we could also discuss the relationship between this practice and the practice of feminism?* *For example....the highest rate of vasectomy in Canada was Ontario....and Ontario is also home to the highest number of men who 'identify' as feminist. Odd that? Seems to match the 'type' of man who got vaccinated as well....seems to be a pattern here...yes/no?* I don't necessarily pay attention to modern feminism movements as it is mostly cultural marxism on estrogen and chaos but it appears that feminism strongly supports vasectomy as a tool for gender equality in contraception. These top-down movements do have an impact on society and are strangely effective propped up. I tried googling and couldn't not verify the exact info about Ontario, which made me curious since I always expected Quebec to be the darling of leftist experiments. I don't know if I am ready to psychoanalyzing feminist "men":) It could be interesting to analyze how vasectomies may affect relationship dynamics but would be speculative at best:) I was able to simplify my thoughts and leave the more confusing subjects for when we get to such topics. I'm so out of it I don't even have questions but I think I need to answer more in other threads:) Maranatha :)
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sonatime
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12/13/2025, 9:52:54 AM
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I was enjoying finding my way through my thoughts and then a break occurs, after the break a new thought come in the form of philosophy potentially neutering, just like vasectomy, spirituality and after the next break I'm trying to simplify my own version of philosophy:) and things start to pile on:) Just letting you know of my impasse.
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