Comment on Who are the ''American People''? by crimsonmvestro

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crimsonmvestro · 3/14/2025, 1:41:26 AM · permalink

Yes, there were white individuals who were enslaved or lived in conditions similar to slavery in America, though their experiences were different from the chattel slavery of African Americans. Here are some key examples:

1\. Indentured Servitude (1600s–1700s)

Many European immigrants, primarily from Britain, Ireland, and Germany, came to the American colonies as indentured servants. They worked under a contract (usually 4–7 years) in exchange for passage to the New World. While not legally considered slaves, many endured brutal treatment, and some never gained their promised freedom.

• If an indentured servant ran away or disobeyed their master, their contract could be extended.

• Many poor Irish and Scots were forcibly sent to the colonies as indentured laborers, especially after conflicts with England.

2\. Convict Labor (1700s–1800s)

Britain sent convicts to America as a form of punishment. These people were often assigned to plantation labor and treated similarly to slaves, though their status was temporary.

3\. Kidnapped and Trafficked Europeans

Some poor children and adults were kidnapped from Europe and sold into forced labor in America. This was especially common in the 1600s when labor was in high demand.

4\. White Slavery in the Caribbean

While mainland America primarily used African slavery, Irish and Scottish prisoners of war were enslaved and sent to Barbados and other Caribbean colonies in the 1600s. Many were labeled as “indentured servants,” but their treatment was often indistinguishable from slavery.

5\. White People in Chattel Slavery (Rare Cases)

There were rare cases of white individuals being enslaved in the U.S., typically due to mixed ancestry (laws defined slavery by the mother’s status) or being kidnapped into slavery. However, white chattel slavery was not institutionalized the way African slavery was.

Key Differences Between White and Black Servitude

• Indentured servitude had an end date; African slavery was hereditary and lifelong.

• White servants could gain freedom and land; enslaved Africans had no such legal path.

• White indentured servants were eventually replaced by African slaves as the economy shifted to racialized slavery.

So, while there were white people in conditions of forced labor, the transatlantic slave system was specifically built around the racialized enslavement of Africans.

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hellohellohello · 3/14/2025, 8:49:19 AM · permalink

The American Revolutionary War ended in 1783 (Constitution Signed in 1787) - the Atlantic Slave Trade was Banned in 1808 - over the 25 years there were 45,846 slaves imported in the Sovereign Independent United States of America.  Of the ~388,000 Slaves - 342,154 were imported into the BRITISH AMERICAN COLONIES!  
  
Everyone forgets on July 4th, 1776, the 13 States Declared Independence - the Republic was established with the signing of the Constitution of the United States of America in 1787 - 4-years after the end of the Revolutionary War.  
  
TO BE CLEAR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DID NOT EXIST UNTIL 1787 - PRIOR TO THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - THE 7 YEAR WAR TO ENFORCE IT - THIS WAS THE BRITISH AMERICAN COLONIES UNDER BRITISH RULE - THE BRITISH EMPIRE RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 3 MILLION AFRICANS TRADED IN THE ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE - 2,650,000 SENT TO WORK THE SUGAR PLANTATIONS IN THE CARRIBEAN.    
  
The emigrants - the first settlers were not Colonists - they left England as it was known at the time - and migrated to the Americas - Jamestown - 100 people who abandoned England to start a new life in America - 100 people.  These people were not sponsored by England - they were sponsored by the Venture Company - however it was their efforts and resources that led to the establish the Jamestown Settlement.  100 people including women and children did not commit a Genocide on the Native American people.  100 people acquired their land through trade with the Native Americans.  If 100 people attempted to conquer the Native Americans, the United States of America would not exist.  
  
The Jamestown settlement was established in 1607 with 100 people.  In 1619 a Dutch Indie Ship pulled up on the shore with 20 Africans presumed stolen from Portugal Slave Ships - these 20 Africans were the first Africans in North America and the 23 that arrived on another Dutch Indie, were Indentured.  
  
In 1632 King Charles the 1st began providing Land Grants to English Nobles - the first Noble Granted Land by the English crown Established the Maryland Colony - Cecil Calvert, the second Baron Baltimore.  This Land Grant launched the Colonization of the North Americas 13 British American Colonies. - and the flood of African Slaves  
  
The Jamestown Settlement - built and establish with the resources and labor  of 100 men, women, and children - without any money from the crown - was effectively conquered by England - the settlers requested aid for something, and England provided the Aid and then sent in the Noble to set the Rules for the Virginia Colony and the population of 40 Indentured Africans in Jamestown, became the Colony with the Largest population of slaves.  
  
The Jamestown Settlers were inundated with the importation of African Slaves - England was a Slave Nation - and I mean that literally there was a Royal Slave Mercantile that directed participated in the Atlantic Slave Trade - they were Slavers.  
  
England being Slavers made Slavery Legal in the Virginian Colony, so they applied heavy tariffs/taxes (again now Jamestown is under English Rule and forced to adhere to English Laws) to discourage the importation of African Slaves and were successful in decreasing the flow of African Slaves into Virgina almost entirely.  Unfortunately, a Royal Govenor ended the tariff, and the flood of African Slaves began.  
  
Repeatedly Virginians petitioned the King to stop the Slave Trade coming into the Colony - requested the reestablishment of the Tarif.... no because Every Slave was taxable, so the King did not tax the Slaver Traders at all - only the Purchasers so - the traders picked up the pace - like I said above ~3 million African Slaves were purchased, shipped, and sold in the Americas (again 45,846 slaves were imported to the United States of America).  
  
  
  
Our understanding of the United States is actually a perversion - it does not even function in any way as it did prior to the Civil War, because the Civil had nothing to do with Slavery - it was about creating The United States of America into one State.  President Lincoln broke the compact agreed to by the States - it is the Constitution is a contract for the creation of a Federal Administrative Body with the primary purpose of Foreign Affairs, - prevention of threats Foreign and Domestic - Domestic was the prevention of war within the 13 Sovereign Nation States.  If you read Article 1 Section 8 - I believe - it provides a list which is the LIMITS SET on the Authority Granted to this Administrative Body.  
  
Basically, we must Stand together to prevent any Threats ....  There was not an Executive Order Instrument allowing the Executive Branch to Usurp the Sole Power of Legislation from the Congress - The Executive Order is Unconstitutional - it is an invention of the Supreme Court - which ignored the Very first live of Article 1 of the Constitution concerning the Legislative Branch "All Legislation begins in the House of Representatives".  The Court decided that the Executive Branch has the implicit power to Legislate.  If you look up the first Executive Order, which does not exist in the Constitution) you will see they Justify this Usurpation of the Power of the House of the People &amp; the House of the States, by identifying President Washington written Request to his Cabinet to write reports concerning their domain.  That is the 1st Executive Order lol that is not Legislation, but this is one example of the corruption of the Constitution.  
  
 President Lincoln - the Civil War - broke the Compact and shift the Subordinate to the Supreme Power, and of course the added Bonus of Decimating the Landowners who were not owned by the Northern Industrialists.....  
  
With the Twisted Totalitarian System that prevents any American from Doing Anything without permission, taxes, fees, licenses, and permits on threat of Jail with the Authorization of force - it is not unreasonable for us to think Why Didn't Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe simply write an executive order to end slavery - BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS SUBORDINATE TO THE STATES - THE CONSTITUTION IS - WAS - A CONTRACT AMONG THE STATES - UNTIL THE GREAT CONQUERER PRESIDENT LINCOLN SET THE TABLE FOR THE USURPATION AND THE USHERING IN OF "SOFT" TOTALITARIANISM.  
  
The Contract Owners became owned by the Contract  
  
The Enumeration of Duties and limitations of Congress listed in Article 1 Section 8 - and the Duties listed for the President in Article 2 - gave them no Authority of the States - beyond those specific items and of Course there was not an Executive Order - So none of them had the Constitutional Authority nor the Judicial Legislation granting the Executive the power to Legislate - So none of the Presidents how the power to Usurp the 13 States not as an Legal Instrument or the Military force.  
  
My point in this book of rambling is to provide a tiny bit of the History you can discover for yourselves by reading their own words - a part of the story we are not taught, and we are not taught the big picture, because they want Americans to be divided, and they want Black Americans to always identify themselves as a product of slaves, so they always feel on the outside, and they believe they are under attack from White People across the Board - but the reality is the General Population are all under attack!

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