Comment on Okay, let’s find some common ground. by illmortal

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illmortal · 5/9/2025, 2:24:00 PM · permalink

We're.. humans, not animals.   
  
There's only one way we will ever go back to the barter system, globally and that's if the entire world civilization collapsed. And even then we would more than likely go back to metals (silver/gold) as a currency.  
  
The closest thing we have to a barter system today is trade arrangements.  
  
For example:  
  
**Russia and China**: Amid sanctions and payment system disruptions, these nations are exploring barter trade arrangements, particularly in agriculture, to facilitate transactions without relying on traditional banking systems.  
  
The entire global civilization would have to go back to bartering and that's highly improbable. It could be used as an alternative, but that would be on a smaller scale, like a community / a town.  
  
The barter system would have to start at a small scale and slowly scale up - localism, then creating barter networks.  
  
  
I'm not against it. Especially since it too would abolish usury and taxation. Two forms of oppression - at least if taxation is abused.

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illmortal · 5/9/2025, 3:08:31 PM · permalink

*Okay we're getting off topic but I will expand on this in hopes to clarify*:   
  
Yes I'm well aware of our shared DNA. However humans are different in the dimensions of spirituality, intellectualism, and morality.   
  
🧠 Intellectual and Spiritual Distinction

Islamic teachings highlight that humans possess a unique intellectual capacity and spiritual responsibility:

Rationality and Free Will: Humans are endowed with reason (\`aql) and free will, enabling them to make moral choices and be accountable for their actions. This is contrasted with animals, which act based on instinct and are not held to the same moral obligations.

Spiritual Responsibility: The Qur'an states, "Indeed, We have dignified the children of Adam" (Quran 17:70), indicating a special status granted to humans. Additionally, humans are considered vicegerents (khalifah) on Earth, entrusted with stewardship over creation.  
  
🐾 Shared Aspects with Animals

While humans are distinguished by their intellect and moral agency, Islam acknowledges that animals share certain characteristics with humans:

Souls (nafs): Some Islamic scholars believe that animals possess souls, though these are viewed differently from human souls in terms of consciousness and moral responsibility.

Communication and Social Behavior: The Qur'an describes animals as communities like humans, capable of communication and social organization. For instance, ants are depicted as warning each other of impending danger (Quran 27:17-18).  
  
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist; getting to the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you"

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