wfgopack · p/freethinkers · 8/5/2026, 3:26:55 PM

For those still confused about Mexico

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hyokkim · 8/6/2026, 7:24:14 AM · permalink

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wfgopack · 8/6/2026, 3:38:30 PM · permalink

You are very confused, and frequently manipulate my statements, and have missed or misunderstood the majority of them. The reason for this post was to clear up confusion, so I will respond to your comments again.  
I have told no one that no violence takes place here. There is no such place. Here there is very little violence because its an old fashioned and very religious farming community. Here people ride horses and work the land, and celebrate life with their neighbors. The people and land are almost fully self sufficient as a community currently and could close out outsiders easily if that becomes needed. There will be no desperation here because of the needs of the people being met. There won't be the neighbor vs neighbor situation that will exist in many places if/when a collapse does occur. Neighbor will be helping neighbor here and trade will continue.  
For my community there will be large stone walls, a 24 hour security detail and guard dogs, which will be more than enough to protect a group outsiders don't know exists. Mexico is a large country of many millions of people and Puebla is a large state. If you are looking for trouble or voilence, you can find it, same as any place on Earth.   
If no collapse occurs any time soon than this will continue to be a family oriented place where people happily live life and celebrate together as people did more frequently in other times in other areas. There is no daily grind here and life moves at a slower pace for most, allowing people to be people, not machines that live only to work. It's a very different and almost entirely better world.  
I have lived all over the former USA and visited nearly all of it. Life is as safe here as it is in the safest regions back home and safer than most. Think old fashioned small town life. Local community justice still exists here as well so criminals stay out of these types of areas.   
  
You are correct that people should not come here to find a job. Mexico works on a real economy and not one driven by and pumped with infinite fake fed notes. There are no economic bubbles here. Anyone interested in escaping to real freedom here will need to have outside income until full self sufficiency can be reached, and then after that in order to travel and fully enjoy the perks of this country. Thats if no collapse happens. Mexico is a beautiful country filled with natural and historic wonders. Daytrips and weekend trips are fantastic and never ending, but income is required if one chooses to do that, as I do.  
My general point is that much less is required to do so here. This is one of the main reasons I inform people that this is a place where you can retire comfortably if that is a worry you have, perhaps a quarter of what would be required to retire in the former USA.   
As for my income, as I have stated many times, I work remote as a manager of a plumbing company in San Diego. Remote work, savings or a steady check of some type are what make this change possible, as I have stated many times.  
  
Life in Mexico presents an opportunity for a retirement many will never find. And that is with no relation to my self sufficient community plans. Self sufficiency is much cheaper and easier here with a year round growing season and no freeze concerns for plant or animal life. A different and better lifestyle is waiting for any who choose it and have the basic means. The concept of shared resources and costs is the main reason I offer and invite others to join us. Is can be done cheap here by individuals and families, but even cheaper by a small conglomeration of individuals and families. Things can be achieved by a small group that cannot always be achieved by an individual or a single family, and again, at much lesser cost to each.  
  
To the sojooo family, you are all welcome and I encourage anyone to come for a quick and cheap visit, I would be very happy to show you in person what I have experienced. Life is simply better here, and people deserve to live happy and at peace. If you struggle or worry about the future I suggest you think about it. Nothing is free, but life is cheap and easy here, and a short visit is very cheap beyond a fairly expensive plane ticket.  
To @Hyokkim, I hope this answers your questions once and for all, but I assume it will not. haha. State controlled propaganda pieces will not change the reality no matter how much you trust in it. You are invited as well to come see for yourself. I imagine arguing with you in person would be quite interesting. And it would please me very much for you to see and understand the truth.

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hyokkim · 8/8/2026, 4:49:09 AM · permalink

''The wall is variable to the size of the community. It can be done for a few thousand dollars here.''  
  
The entire circumference of the wall for the compound of a small village would be at least a few miles, including farmland/ranch.  
  
''Building the southern border wall is not a single fixed price but a range determined by design, terrain, land acquisition and political choices: recent federal and state projects show per-mile construction costs generally between about $20 million and $30 million.''  
  
That is U.S. estimate; Mexico would be cheaper, but not a few thousand dollars cheaper.  
  
''Is it cheaper to build in Mexico than in the U.S.?

Yes—total CapEx runs 30‑50 % lower, mainly due to labor and permitting costs.

Why are materials sometimes more expensive in Mexico?

Imported steel faces tariffs; local supply swings with peso. Plan bulk buys early.''  
  
https://serprojects.com/construction-costs-in-mexico/#:~:text=Quick%20take%3A%20Average%20construction%20costs%20in%20Mexico%20rose,pace%20slows%20to%205%20%25%20in%20early%202025.  
  
So, yes, it is cheaper considerably, but not a few thousand dollars cheaper; it would require a few miles of the wall.  
  
It would require about 100 million USD in U.S.; it would require about 50 million USD to build in Mexico.  
  
''I have no interest in a militant force, thats your thing. Grown men and guard dogs can defend their own property with little training. I know you don't get it, but this is a farming community, there will be no need for much security to begin with.''  
  
So, no firearms, body armor, helmets?  How are you going to defend from gangbangers, and corrupt cops?  
  
''Extortion is prompting farmers to migrate to the US and Canada, General Farmers and Workers Union (UGOCP) leader Luís Gómez Garay told local newspaper Diario de Xalapa. About 15% of Mexico’s usable farmland is underutilized because of increased extortion by organized crime, he added.''  
  
https://southernpulse.substack.com/p/mexicos-farmers-face-widespread-extortion  
  
https://oem.com.mx/diariodexalapa/local/crimen-organizado-obliga-a-los-campesinos-a-abandonar-sus-tierras-por-extorsiones-13441929  
  
''I moved into plumbing management in 2020 when the government was paying minimum wage type employees not to work.''  
  
Dude, why would anyone hire you, with no professional plumbing experience as a plumbing manager?  What makes you so special?  
  
''I prefer office work and am an award-winning manager.''  
  
What kind of award have you won as a plumbing manager?   What made your 'employer' hire you as a remote plumbing manager?  
  
My company is happy to employ me remote wherever I may be because I am better at my job that a replacement would be.  
  
You had had no experience as a plumber; why did your company hire you as a plumbing manager?   What is the nature of your work as a remote plumbing manager?     
  
Hint: all plumbing manager jobs require at least 3 to 5 years of experience as a plumber and/or construction as a minimum; you had had no relevant experience.

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wfgopack · 8/8/2026, 5:35:57 PM · permalink

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wfgopack · 8/10/2026, 9:34:56 PM · permalink

Do you day drink?  
Are you losing your mind trying to live in your office??  
  
Your imagination has interfered in and warped your understanding of my plan. I don't dream of being a warlord and owning a town. I want a small self sufficient community. I have never lied to anyone on this site and make every effort not to lie in life. 100 million US dollars!! Hahaha. You are out of your mind. This is your imagination, not mine. We have been discussing this over a year and you have lost it. Miles of wall!! Wake up please sir. I'm an adult with a plan, not a dreaming child.  
If you wake up from your dream, I'll tell you again. Not sure why. My plan ranges from an acre or so to a few acres. You know nothing about farming or sufficiency, clearly. Unless musk or gates or the federal government get involved there will be no miles of wall. This helps explain at least why you continue to make such ridiculous statements. You have merged my plan and your fantasy world, and tv shows and movies you have seen.   
  
And about my job, you are insane. I have no fear of your questions, but they are stupid and I would not even think one second about giving you my company information or previous company information because you have shown yourself to be incapable of comprehension and possibly even normal behavior. You seem to be a crazy person recently. Again not sure why I even answer, but, I am an award winning restaurant manager, and have won numerous awards over the years. You also don't comprehend that managing people transcends fields. Someone becomes an excellent manager because of how they interact with people and adapt to changing situations, while making professional decisions that move a business in the way its ownership wants. I have been in plumbing management for over 5 years now. If thats too hard for you to understand than I am sorry for you.   
  
I have avoided insulting you all this time, even when it was the appropriate response. But now, you are truly crazy and not right in the head I fear, or maybe you are stupid. I did not think that until recently. You have seemed to me to be joking with others in many cases and have even made good points in the past. I now fear I may have misread you. Being an online platform it's fairly easy to do. If you have anything reasonable and sane to say or ask I am happy to continue communication. If not, I may be done responding to your ludicrous comments and insane accusations.

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hyokkim · 8/10/2026, 11:13:36 PM · permalink

''I moved into plumbing management in 2020 when the government was paying minimum wage type employees not to work.'' - wfgopack

''Dude, why would anyone hire you, with no professional plumbing experience as a plumbing manager? What makes you so special?'' - Hyok Kim

''I prefer office work and am an award-winning manager.'' - wfgopack

''What kind of award have you won as a plumbing manager? What made your 'employer' hire you as a remote plumbing manager?'' - Hyok Kim  
  
https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/7a3b3f728214d6a13b9df5b67e211b67/comment/144776  
  
Dude, you love bragging about the award you had received as a plumbing manager; why can't you say what/which plumbing manager award?   If a restaurant manager award you meant, then why should a plumbing company care about a restaurant manager award for a plumbing manager position?  
  
''I have never lied to anyone on this site and make every effort not to lie in life. 100 million US dollars!! Hahaha. You are out of your mind. This is your imagination, not mine. We have been discussing this over a year and you have lost it. Miles of wall!! Wake up please sir. I'm an adult with a plan, not a dreaming child.

If you wake up from your dream, I'll tell you again. Not sure why. My plan ranges from an acre or so to a few acres.''  
  
Dude, you had bee talking about wall for not just yourself, but your 'village', an acre is barely sufficient for one family, not for a small village.   Enough walls to enclose a small village with farmland, ranch would be at least a few miles.  
  
https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/7a3b3f728214d6a13b9df5b67e211b67/comment/144776  
  
''I have never lied to anyone on this site and make every effort not to lie in life.'' - wfgopack

https://soj.ooo/p/freethinkers/post/f539d9567df861e501b8a8fb54050cce  
  
You're a pathological liar/bullshitter; how do you make a living in Mexico?    You never did, just another expat/drunk loser/tourist looking for drinking buddies in cantina.  If you're serious, you should be looking for the local Mexicans to start your community, why are you asking people in U.S. to move there?  
  
Because Mexicans are not as dumb as you think they are; I know many Mexicans, worked with them for decades, some high strung, some others very nice, but all very real.   I know what Mexicans would say about your drunk rambling, ''Mucho Loco gringo!''

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