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doug · 2/25/2025, 9:52:59 AM · permalink

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**Why do commies think capitalism, an economic policy, and communism are the same?**

We don't. That's a common fallacy, in fact, we don't believe that capitalism is "bad", but that it is simply outmoded and obsolete. We also believe that capitalism was actually progress compared to feudalism, and that it was a necessary step to allow for communism to be even possible. That's why you see Russia and China, both semi-feudal economies, have to go through a stage of semi-capitalist development (NED in the Soviet Union, Deng opening up in China), in order to have the actual means of production to share. So you cannot actually go full communist, until you have first a stage of capitalist development, and THEN a stage of socialist development, which is where China is at now. Communism is the goal, but not the process.

**What is wrong with communists?**

You are probably thinking of people who call themselves communists, but are just another form of leftists. Even in the time of Marx, there were competing ideas of what was the "true" method for communism, during Stalin's time there was Trotsky, etc. Lenin distinguishes between these leftists, between "economists" and the "terrorists", which are in today's parlence, the DSA (social democracy liberals) and people like antifa (anarchists). However, Lenin points out the errors in both, as he calls the economists naive for thinking that they can team up with the bourgeoisie and get them to "be better" and produce socialism through reform, while he calls the terrorists idiots who make communist's job harder by creating random acts of violence that can be used by the ruling class as evidence that they need to be given even more power to stop chaos from happening. In essence, both are detrimental to communists.

Today's communists you see are all either grifters or federal operatives. During the 1960s during the Vietnam War, anti-imperialism and pro-communist sentiment started to become more prevalent, and the CIA/FBI used this time to infiltrate communist organizations and create a leftist "counterculture" (hippies) of sexual freedom and all this other garbage and nonsense that had nothing to do with communist ideology, but provided a release for leftist tension to dissipate. This is why you probably think communists are all gay and retarded, because the CIA literally manufactured and boosted cringe hippies to present that way. Remember, both the CIA and FBI were both created because of communism.

**Why don't commies understand they can get together and "do" communism?**

I don't fully understand this inquiry, but I'm assuming you mean communes? We don't "do" that because it's a pointless exercise and does not stop capitalist exploitation from happening.

**Why do communists need the government to force communism upon others?**

I'm assuming this misunderstanding comes from your earlier thought, that communism is a lifestyle and not a mode of production. But in actual communism, let's take the Soviet Union as an example, it's not that the government forces it onto them, it's that the Revolution and the masses wanted a new government over what they had previously. So Russia at the time of the Revolution was ruled by a Tsar who was much more brutal than his grandfather when he took over in 1894. He led Russia to a loss to Japan in 1905, and then during WW1, at least 5 million Russian casualties to the front line. Because it was a semi-feudal economy, but with a large territory, the Tsar had no incentive to develop their industry and just threw people into the highly advanced German military meatgrinder. There was already a revolution in 1905 that failed, but another rose in 1917 that was initially a bourgeois liberal revolution, but Lenin was able to gain enough momentum with the masses to orchestrate the first communist revolution, the October Revolution, and began the first communist nation in history. So it wasn't that the government forced communism upon the Russian people, it was that the Russian people preferred communism over having their lives being thrown away for a Russian Tsar's power and influence. It helped also that it was not as developed, as there was less of a presence of the Russian bourgeoisie, who were easy to corral.

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At the end of the day, the CIA has worked extremely hard over the past 75 years to give you this version of communism that you so desperately hate, not because you know what communism actually is, but because you hate the version that was presented to you. I have had one of the most unlikely life paths towards communism. My parents named me after the Korean War General, Douglas MacArthur, a massive war criminal, I was a professional poker player and pursued a career in acting. But what changed me was actually READING what actual communists wrote, instead of trusting Fox News to tell me what communism is. So yeah, if you want to actually engage as a "free thinker", sometimes that means doing the hard thing and actually reading what people said and thought.  
  
At any rate, the DSA is not communist, they are expressly liberal. The PSL is a likely grifting front for leftists, while the CPUSA has been infiltrated since the McCarthyist era and is just a pawn of the Democratic party.

The only communist party I do support is the ACP, just constituted last year in July 2024, as I believe that this is the closest version to communism as in the Soviet Union and China.

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