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okinawajawa
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3/7/2025, 11:19:37 AM
Change my mind.
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zenny
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3/17/2025, 9:51:08 PM
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There's spreading an idea that might be seen as distasteful and then there's hateful over an immutable characteristic. I'm free speech absolutist so I wouldn't stop either case but I think its clear there is a difference.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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3/19/2025, 8:06:42 PM
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Believers in God know they are accountable for their speech, and Disbelievers in God have no such accountability.
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earthmightiest
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3/14/2025, 7:53:54 PM
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it is called free speech.. not freedom \[to\] insult.
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mrs_cms
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3/7/2025, 5:00:35 PM
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Untrue. If I hate what you say because it is an idea or statement with which I disagree, then your speech is free speech. If your hate speech is speech that directly denies me my inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then it is not free speech. It is the equivalent of a gun aimed at my head.
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nvsk
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3/8/2025, 4:36:56 PM
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I totally disagree with the statement because it frames the concept of free speech within the construct of a lawful and civil society. Might makes right if you don’t agree with that go test that theory outside the artificial construct of social contract constitutionalism
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mrs_cms
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3/8/2025, 6:23:14 PM
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Might makes right🤔 Well, might I have. So I must be right.
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nvsk
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3/17/2025, 5:16:13 PM
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Enforce it, to prove your point
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simms
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3/7/2025, 5:30:21 PM
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I don’t believe that is the point the op is making. I could be wrong but I’m reading that if you speak truth there is always people who will find that truth offensive and brand it as hateful. therefore we all must speak the truth irregardless of consequence. to self censor is a crime to truth. the fall from truth doesn’t always come from sweeping and egregious lies, mostly it comes from half truths and sins of emission till the truth is no longer recognizable. I agree that hate speech is wrong. However… when seeds of hate are planted in the words of the speaker we have hate speech. but when hate is nurtured in the ears of the hearer (I purposely did not say listener) all speech is hate speech. Learning to decipher the difference is crucial for free society.
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mrs_cms
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3/7/2025, 6:01:44 PM
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I respect your analysis. Well said. We all must neither plant seeds of hate nor nuture the seeds of hate planted by others if we wish to eliminate hate speech. Does the manner in which the "truth" is expressed matter? Is there a difference between freedom of speech and freedom of expression ? Do we ban "hate speech" or should we develop a society that knows when not to listen? So I stand corrected. It all comes down to personal responsibility and our role as integrated humans in society.
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okinawajawa
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3/7/2025, 6:39:00 PM
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How about we eliminate the reasons people hate people in the first place? Like trans people? The reason we have trans people is because of sick fucking doctors in Berlin that took root in today's society? Talk about seeds? How ya like them seeds? Instead, we fund these ideologies and wind up creating more. Even Bill Maher said, and said it best: "for a lot los angelinos, it's fashionable for parents to have a trans kid. But if this spike in the rise of trans kids is all natural, why is it regional? You don't hear that in Ohio. Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them." We could eliminate THOSE seeds instead arresting people who say chicks don't have dicks. And to any federal agents watching me, no, by eliminate, I do not mean exterminate.
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sacredcow
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3/7/2025, 7:21:52 PM
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????? Da fuq? Humans since the beginning of time have been confused about their sexuality. You should look up the history and sexuality of humans, it doesn't have anything to do with Berlin. I agree with you on a lot of things, but if someone wants to be a girl or boy, why should it matter to you? Now, forcing themselves upon others with the power of government shouldn't be allowed. If someone is an adult, they should be able to do what they want with their body and life. Let humans define their own lives. Freedom isn't freedom without allowing humans to let them be who they want to be. "Trans" people are a super small amount of humans, also in the decadence of decay of a system always heads this way. People are so boring, that all they have is their sexuality today. Androgynous people have always existed.
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okinawajawa
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3/7/2025, 7:29:13 PM
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You might have a point if deadnaming someone didn't come with a risk of incarceration. Or refusing to acknowledge someone's preferred pronouns didn't risk the same. Being confused about your gender doesn't grant you rights. And yes, that may have happened throughout history. But disabuse yourself of whatever it is you think \*was\* going on in Berlin when they started burning books. YOU CANNOT CHANGE GENDERS. And it matters to ALL of us that we agree with reality.
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simms
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3/7/2025, 6:08:59 PM
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I believe the truth shall set us free. Sometime truth is hard, often it is uncomfortable. Yet truth is truth and its light dispels darkness. Take heart, and may peace be with us all on the path to truth!
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okinawajawa
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3/7/2025, 5:41:38 PM
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The best part? It was white people who called the cops. Sorry, I don't mean to spam you. I'm currently throwing out all my shit and making arrangements for my pets because I don't know if I'm going straight to prison on the 19th of March or if I'll have time to settle my affairs.
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mrs_cms
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3/7/2025, 6:03:02 PM
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I wish peace for you. Truly.
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3/8/2025, 9:02:06 PM
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Hate or not speech is speech and all shall be free
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okinawajawa
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3/9/2025, 12:27:30 AM
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Yep, as long as there's ink on paper somewhere and you got the force to back it up, then there's nothing you can't make illegal.
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momentomori
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3/8/2025, 10:55:23 PM
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Free speech is a myth. Every society has blasphemy laws and will punish some speech expressions.
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nvsk
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3/7/2025, 2:33:19 PM
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Woootinee!!!
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okinawajawa
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3/7/2025, 2:48:48 PM
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Yub nub!
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