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Parent Post: If Usury is bad, then Fiat Money is Evil?
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resolutionaryman
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5/17/2026, 12:15:40 PM
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Most people still enter crypto through fiat at some point. That’s just the practical reality of the world as it currently exists. But yes — it’s absolutely possible to obtain and use Monero without personally using fiat yourself. You can work and get paid in Monero. You can barter goods or services for it. You can mine it. You can receive donations or support in it. You can trade other assets directly for it — silver, gold, equipment, labor, digital services, collectibles, whatever. And there are already circular crypto economies where people transact peer-to-peer without constantly converting back into dollars. At that point: \- no bank is required, \- no credit card is required, \- no fiat transfer is required, \- and sometimes not even formal identity verification. But at the same time, practicality matters. The phone, computer, or tablet being used right now to even ask this question — was that acquired without fiat? Was the internet connection? The cellular service? The infrastructure behind any of it? Probably not. That doesn’t invalidate the effort. It just means we’re operating inside a transition period, not some perfectly isolated parallel reality. Same principle as necessity in Islam. If a Muslim were starving to death and pork was literally the only thing available to preserve life, the higher principle takes precedence over rigid idealism. Survival and practicality matter. So striving toward better systems, more sovereignty, more privacy, more independence from centralized fiat structures — that still has value, even if the current path isn’t perfectly pure yet. An imperfect move in the right direction is still movement in the right direction.
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tajudeen_bin_tijani
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5/17/2026, 6:21:28 PM
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resolutionaryman: The phone, computer, or tablet being used right now to even ask this question — was that acquired without fiat? Perhaps, the many do not want to go against "legal tender". Do you know of anyone who has paid for a parking fine with crypto?
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resolutionaryman
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5/17/2026, 6:37:34 PM
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I really respect how deeply you're looking at this—it’s a massive challenge to try and step outside the fiat system. But it always makes me wonder about the practical boundaries of total purity in the modern world. Personally, I don't know anyone who has successfully paid a parking ticket in crypto (honestly, I’d just be looking for any way out of the fine!). But it opens up a fascinating paradox. Even if someone manages to bypass fiat for a moment, how do we handle the rest of the infrastructure that made the ticket possible in the first place? The fine only exists because we accept state-issued license plates, vehicle registrations, and VIN tracking. If we are aiming for true purism against state control, doesn't complying with vehicle licensure track us into the exact same system? I’m curious where you see the boundary between rejecting state money but accepting state identity for our property.
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