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braven · 1/2/2026, 6:17:04 PM · permalink

Again....excellent points being made here...thank you for sharing this.  
  
"*So the Kingdom isn’t a subjective spark inside every person that we can reinterpret or rename. Believers do experience it personally through the indwelling Holy Spirit, but that presence is the real, historical, risen Jesus, the Word made flesh, not a generic or customizable “Ideal” we shape to our liking."*
  
*The Kingdom isn't a subjective spark....that we can reinterpret or rename?*
This is not easily interpreted.  Heavy lifting here.  
Someone, at some time....named it?   
And now others cannot?  Sounds like Islam...yes?  No more interpreters?  Odd stuff.  
  
However, from a personal take....here is a point we might find potential growth of patterns.  
*...not a generic or customizable “Ideal” we shape to our liking."*  
To start...it is interesting that you suggest I am shaping an Ideal *to my liking.*  Something like that...yes?  
Not suggesting any negativity on your part....just making an observation that others might overlook.  
  
It would be a mistake to shape an *Idea*l to our liking....yes.  Not a good pattern of existence.  
That is what men have done with Jesus and God...yes?  The anthropomorphic nature of man....something like that?  
  
The "Ideal" reveals itself.  It is not man made.  We discussed this a bit in the other post.  
I am not inventing this...it is revealing itself through me.  Something like that.  
I participate at every level that I can be consciously aware of, which is extremely limited, but I am a contributor and collaborator....not the 'source'.   
  
Your inclusion of verses involving Jesus...and his message....make it clear, to me, that Jesus was not a god....let alone God.  A god would require better communication skills.  The God....almost impossible to believe that people believe in this archetype....so profoundly underwhelming in every aspect of metaphysical to physical representation.  Yet, we can use this archetype to expose the patterns of manipulation.  
The Bible, has lessons we can learn from....but again...mostly of cautionary tales and the abuse of gaslighting by those who wish to dominate... subjugate others.  
  
Which is why I find that pattern of *Maranatha* quite intriguing. But at the same time...troubling.    
Some people are quite viciously protective, murderously protective of their 'religion'.   
If that word...Maranatha....has only 'Christian' meaning....which is also convoluted in its etymology...yes?...then it is best if I don't use it in a way that will not be accepted by others...seems like it should be possible for others to use...as a powerful word....with meaning deeper than most can fathom...yes?  
  
If you take into account that an Ideal....can be an ultimate Ideal....and that Ideal can be universal.  
What would that Ideal look like...what pattern would emerge?   
It does not look like any pattern in the Bible or New Testament....not to me.  
But if you can find any metaphysical advice in either...that directly relates to physical manifestation....those would be some good patterns to discuss further.   
  
For example....If Jesus walked on water...and taught all the apostles to walk on water.  And they in turn taught everyone else to walk on water...and now...we could all walk on water....all good....yes?  All praise Jesus....greatly appreciated.  
  
Why didn't Jesus question his inability to teach that skill to others?  The water to wine....that would be useful...yes?  
  
Again, thank you for sharing your insights here....profoundly thought provoking.  
Peace.😇

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